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Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:44 pm
by Purple bruise
dead_poet wrote:
It's how I have felt watching the Vikings these last couple of seasons. When I see a better, more exciting team, I'll change it. Until then, I'm an unimpressed chewing giraffe.
A little factoid since we are waiting for the draft. Giraffes have cuds
http://vimeo.com/13570400
Sorry, I need the draft to get here soon

Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:11 pm
by King James
I don't really think Manziel fits the Norv Turner style offense but if he is there at #8, I don't see the Vikings passing up on him. If every QB, was available at #8 (which I know isn't going to happen), the QB I would rather have is Teddy Bridgewater. He fits a Norv Turner offense, and is as close to a pro style offense developed player you will get.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:27 pm
by mmvikes
http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php
Oakland Raiders: Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
This may still surprise some people, but as I wrote last week, I've been hearing more and more that multiple teams in the top 10 prefer Carr over both Teddy Bridgewater and/or Johnny Manziel. We're trained to think that Bridgewater and Manziel will go before Carr because of what we've heard on TV or read on news-aggregator Web sites, but "strange" things happen on Draft Day because teams simply think differently at times.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:33 pm
by dead_poet
Interesting that the split of those who want vs. those that do not at #8 is narrowing.
I thought this was a good article that discusses some of the good, bad and unknowns...
The Johnny Manziel mystery: Biggest questions GMs/coaches face in evaluating QB for draft
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-johnny ... 1-nfl.html
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:52 pm
by dead_poet
Inside Slant: Vikings-Manziel? Hmm
There is no telling what is truly going on inside the heads of Vikings coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, two of the three most important people involved in the decision. (The third, general manager Rick Spielman, has pledged to draft players who match the sensibilities of his coaching staff.) We can, however, say this with confidence: Manziel would represent a stylistic departure from the offense played on the teams Zimmer and Turner have coached throughout their combined 49 NFL seasons.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... anziel-hmm
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:54 pm
by Mothman
Siefert makes a good case, doesn't he?
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:54 pm
by headless_norseman
King James wrote:I don't really think Manziel fits the Norv Turner style offense but if he is there at #8, I don't see the Vikings passing up on him. If every QB, was available at #8 (which I know isn't going to happen), the QB I would rather have is Teddy Bridgewater. He fits a Norv Turner offense, and is as close to a pro style offense developed player you will get.
I think Manziel is going to be a success in the NFL. I also think with what the Vikings have on offense, combined with Norv's offense, I think he could succeed very well.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:57 pm
by headless_norseman
Purplemania wrote:I"m curious but how many of you have seen Manziel's pro day? There is a video on youtube that has all 65 throws.
After watching it, I came away fairly imress, and I've been a Manziel doubter. His mechanics look great, and showed good arm strength. However, I also found it odd that after 2 or so months, suddenly Johnny has changed up his mechanics. So to me it means either that Manziel worked really hard after his bowl game to improve, or it means that it is a pro day, a work out- and the "pressure" of getting chased by defender was with a broomstick

. In a real game when Manziel gets chased he certainly does not look that smooth…but who knows. Basically, he has climbed up my board. If anything, at least Manziel showed he has the basic tool to be a good QB.
I think he has something like a 68% completion rate, which is very impressive, considering he's a running QB and A&M does throw the deep ball.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:10 pm
by Texas Vike
Mothman wrote:
Siefert makes a good case, doesn't he?
It's a well-written piece; very convincing.
This part, in particular:
But if you're among those who think he'll [Turner] endorse Manziel, then you must believe he sees him in the same light as those traditional pocket throwers -- or that he is planning a sharp left turn in his scheme and play-calling ideas as he approaches his 62nd birthday next month. Tweaking schemes to fit players is a popular NFL mantra, but is it reasonable to expect it from Turner?
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:16 pm
by Texas Vike
headless_norseman wrote:
I think he has something like a 68% completion rate, which is very impressive, considering he's a running QB and A&M does throw the deep ball.
It was proven recently by official studies that Evans accounted for 67% of his long ball completions (+ 25 yds.) .

Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:43 pm
by Funkytown
Texas Vike wrote:
It was proven recently by official studies that Evans accounted for 67% of his long ball completions (+ 25 yds.) .

So, what are you trying to say? Evans always bailed him out?

Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:43 pm
by headless_norseman
Texas Vike wrote:
It was proven recently by official studies that Evans accounted for 67% of his long ball completions (+ 25 yds.) .

I guess that's why he's one of the 3 A&M guys going in the 1st round. But he still can throw the long ball, there really hasn't been any argument about that point, from what I've heard.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:01 pm
by Texas Vike
Funkytown wrote:
So, what are you trying to say? Evans always bailed him out?

$1

Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:46 pm
by akvikingsfan
Watching Johnny Manziel reminds me of another recent SEC quarterback. Look at the stats below, tell me which on is JFB and who the other quarterback in comparison is.
QB A
Code: Select all
Completions Attempts Percent Yards TDs INTs Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush TDs
661 995 66.4% 9285 88 16 692 2947 57
QB B
Code: Select all
Completions Attempts Percent Yards TDs INTs Rush Attempts Rush Yards Rush TDs
595 863 68.9% 7820 63 22 345 2169 30
Johnny Manziel is QB B in this comparison. Tim Tebow is QB A. Watching Maziel play is a lot like watching Tebow play, in my opinion. I don't think his game will work in the NFL. Just my 2 cents.
Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:59 pm
by dead_poet
akvikingsfan wrote:Johnny Manziel is QB B in this comparison. Tim Tebow is QB A. Watching Maziel play is a lot like watching Tebow play, in my opinion. I don't think his game will work in the NFL. Just my 2 cents.
Their games are nowhere near similar. Not even remotely.