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saint33 wrote: Its not exactly stirring things up as it is, In any even the NFL just came out and said it was the right call, I guess me, dean blandino and the rulebook all see eye to eye, when your finger, or in his case thumb causes a turn of the facemask it gets called according to the rulebook. Now that no call on Abbredaris..

Comon man, whats next? Bleacher report?

When did Blandino call it the right call? Again, his words were "At full speed an official is going to make that call almost every time". That is far different than saying "it was the right call".

further more....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -by-lions/


straight from the rule book

“No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction,” Rule 12, Section 2, Article 14 states.

The rule comes with an important caveat: “If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.”

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Your think of Mike Carey, that wasn't Blandino or the NFLs official statement.

Yes, the rule says a push or turn is a penalty which is exactly what occured. His thumb pushed the facemask and caused the turn.

you're just being willfully ignorant

Skoltastic_Voyage wrote: All hail the mighty zebras

And the Washington redskins proposed a rule last year to make all personal fouls reviewable. Looked like it would pass. It was withdrawn.

TSonn wrote: I supposed I could take a screen shot of the hand bumping the facemask incidentally? But again, that's not supposed to be a foul anymore either. It's clear that the ref thought Rodgers was thrown down by the facemask which did not happen.

Abbredaris no call was a good one. I'm obviously biased but the media consensus on that play was a good no call.

The Abbredaris call was bad, but noone cares because it is irrelevant now.

The hand, thumb specifically went insude the facemask and pushed it right, that it a facemask by rule. Im very familiar with incidental contact, but that doesn't qualify being that it caused a turn of the facemask.

saint33 wrote:you're just being willfully ignorant

By following the word of the rulebook?

saint33 wrote: straight from the rule book

Yep. So even if he did "hook" the facemask (which didn't happen) the defender immediately slid it off and grabbed the shoulder pad. No foul. I don't think it's necessary a conspiracy but definitely a situation where the ref called what he thought happened rather than what he actually saw happen. And it being Rodgers probably also had a little sway in it, too.

Im still confused, why was pushing the facemask to the right from within a non penalty?

TSonn wrote: Yep. So even if he did "hook" the facemask (which didn't happen) the defender immediately slid it off and grabbed the shoulder pad. No foul. I don't think it's necessary a conspiracy but definitely a situation where the ref called what he thought happened rather than what he actually saw happen. And it being Rodgers probably also had a little sway in it, too.

The hook is irrelevant, he turned the facemask with his hand, that is a penalty.

I agree, Rodgers did a good job embellishing, and that helped but pushing a facemask from within with your hand is a penalty

Jordysghost wrote:
Your think of Mike Carey, that wasn't Blandino or the NFLs official statement.

Yes, the rule says a push or turn is a penalty which is exactly what occured. His thumb pushed the facemask and caused the turn.

that quote is directly from Blandino's twitter page. Mike Carey used very similar phrasing on live tv. I've neither heard nor seen any former or current ref or official statement from the NFL that denotes this as the correct call. They are simply defending the referee's decision to make the call in real time, because it looked like a facemask at the time. I agree with that.

However the replay clearly shows no push/pull/what ever you want to call it and the hand is clearly removed from the facemask in a fraction of a second. Rodgers head moving to the left does not mean he was pulled in that direction. His head jerked, it's that simple.


Now an article on NFL.com, is that better for you?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... every-time

Jordysghost wrote:The hook is irrelevant, he turned the facemask with his hand, that is a penalty.

Jordy - it's the "grasping" part of the rule. There was no grasp. The defender never closed his hand or his thumb while it was in the facemask. Sure, the helmet moved. Helmets move on every big hit.

Let's try an experiment - can you grasp a can of soda while using your thumb without bending your thumb?

saint33 wrote: that quote is directly from Blandino's twitter page. Mike Carey used very similar phrasing on live tv. I've neither heard nor seen any former or current ref or official statement from the NFL that denotes this as the correct call. They are simply defending the referee's decision to make the call in real time, because it looked like a facemask at the time. I agree with that.

However the replay clearly shows no push/pull/what ever you want to call it and the hand is clearly removed from the facemask in a fraction of a second. Rodgers head moving to the left does not mean he was pulled in that direction. His head jerked, it's that simple.


Now an article on NFL.com, is that better for you?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... every-time

You must have seen a different replay then me, mine clearly shows his thumb on the inside bar of the facemask and his head jerking to the right, that is a penalty, you cant push the facemask.

TSonn wrote: Yep. So even if he did "hook" the facemask (which didn't happen) the defender immediately slid it off and grabbed the shoulder pad. No foul. I don't think it's necessary a conspiracy but definitely a situation where the ref called what he thought happened rather than what he actually saw happen. And it being Rodgers probably also had a little sway in it, too.

There has to be a grasp and pull, twist, or turn. There was none. Bad call.

Jordysghost wrote: You must have seen a different replay then me, mine clearly shows his thumb on the inside bar of the facemask and his head jerking to the right, that is a penalty, you cant push the facemask.

The rule says nothing about "pushing"! The defender bumped (or pushed) the facemask. The defender did not grasp the facemask. You know, just like linemen can push the defense but they can't grasp them otherwise it's a hold.

TSonn wrote: Jordy - it's the "grasping" part of the rule. There was no grasp. The defender never closed his hand or his thumb while it was in the facemask. Sure, the helmet moved. Helmets move on every big hit.

Let's try an experiment - can you grasp a can of soda while using your thumb without bending your thumb?

His thumb was inside his helmet on the side part of his facebar, what else could that possibly be? You cant turn the facemask with your hand.

Tsonn, I didn't want to mess with mad qoutes but having a hand inside the helmet pushing a facemask constitutes a turn of the facemask. And the rulebook DOES mention 'pushing'.