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Wow...that is heavy. We all give our opinions freely. Not just you.

I honestly don't argue with people, If I don't get their point of view. Several of you
seem to feel that way.

And if you want me to foe you over something like this, you're out of luck. Besides, I like reading your posts. I just don't happen to agree with your dubious logic in this thread.

State your opinion, if you choose ... Its my option, to state mine...if I dislike yours, as you do mine..
I can FOE you or ignore it and move on. I honestly could care less if people don't agree with me or like my "Dubious logic".
There was a line from the movie"The Judge" I feel, really applies here. The high school girlfriend and Robert Downey Jr.
character are going through a vast amount, of issues. She says, "its my bull$%^, kindly remove yourself from it!"

No, I am not going to argue anymore and respond to this; as I feel it is a waste of my time.
I will FOE you and you can argue my "Dubious Logic" to your hearts content.

Jim I appreciate the comments and you going back, to look through the articles.
I know your a talented and very sharp guy. This has become a sore spot (Patterson)
with me. Basically I am a fighter and when backed into a corner, I am defensive.

I didn't enjoy this afternoon and will take some time away.

jackal wrote:Jim I appreciate the comments and you going back, to look through the articles.
I know your a talented and very sharp guy. This has become a sore spot (Patterson)
with me. Basically I am a fighter and when backed into a corner, I am defensive.

I think a lot of us are that way.

I didn't enjoy this afternoon and will take some time away.

I understand and I'm sorry you were frustrated this afternoon. I don't think any of it was meant personally. Thanks for the kind words, enjoy the break and come come back soon. There's a lot of football ahead!

jackal wrote:

Ken, I apologize for the "dubious" comment. It was much too snarky.

Anyway, you and I have communicated privately about this discussion and I now understand your view regarding all players needing to *earn* their way on the team. I agree with you that there is no room for slackers of any kind. Let's hope that Patterson kicks things in gear and plays up to his potential this season. The entire team will be better for it.

It was nice to see some good plays and a touchdown I hope Patterson has a lot of them this year.

here is how i see it. they need to get patterson the ball more no matter how they do it. when has anyone ever said he has bad hands or he drops balls? not ever. he made a clutch grab tonight and i believe the coaching is as much at fault as patterson. they need to get the ball in this guys hands, not matter how. when he gets the ball thrown to him he catches it, what does that say????????

mosscarter wrote:here is how i see it. they need to get patterson the ball more no matter how they do it. when has anyone ever said he has bad hands or he drops balls? not ever. he made a clutch grab tonight and i believe the coaching is as much at fault as patterson. they need to get the ball in this guys hands, not matter how. when he gets the ball thrown to him he catches it, what does that say????????

I feel like we are suddenly stacked at WR. Lots of guys are going to be fighting for playing time, IMO. Diggs just looks like he gets it. He doesn't look like a rookie. I thought he made some impressive moves on what probably should not have been ruled a catch (surprised they didn't overturn it). He also made a great double move on a play that Heineke simply didn't look to the left part of the field. As PA pointed out, he was wide open for a TD.

Hooked on a Theilen played well too.

Texas Vike wrote:I feel like we are suddenly stacked at WR. Lots of guys are going to be fighting for playing time, IMO. Diggs just looks like he gets it. He doesn't look like a rookie. I thought he made some impressive moves on what probably should not have been ruled a catch (surprised they didn't overturn it). He also made a great double move on a play that Heineke simply didn't look to the left part of the field. As PA pointed out, he was wide open for a TD.

Hooked on a Theilen played well too.

Chris Berman, is that you?

I agree. I'm still not sure that we have a #1 WR, but we have 6 WRs that could start for many teams in the league. I have to think that Teddy has an opportunity to really shine if he sticks to his progressions.

DK Sweets wrote:Chris Berman, is that you?

I agree. I'm still not sure that we have a #1 WR, but we have 6 WRs that could start for many teams in the league. I have to think that Teddy has an opportunity to really shine if he sticks to his progressions.

Did Berman coin that or did PA? The latter used it seamlessly in his play by play last night. PA is such a doofus, but I enjoy his schmuck schtick quite a bit, in small doses anyways.

Back on the thread's topic: It occurred to me last night after Patterson's TD and especially the way he reacted afterward (more below), that what may bug fans about his guy is that his personality seems to be bigger than his performance.

This is the reaction I am referring to:
1. He celebrates the TD by doing a quarter lap around the stadium getting high-fives from the crowd.
2. After commercial break, given camera time, CP84 takes the opportunity to tell fans to "stay tuned, we ain't done yet...."
3. Next series he gets a short pass, makes a fantastic couple of moves and moves the chains. He looks fired up and full of confidence. Great to see. Then he gets up and gets in the face of the LB that tackled him. He pops his face mask into the LB's helmet and takes a 15 yard penalty. Sigh.

I can see how his "flash" personality might rub folks the wrong way, especially Minnesotans who tend to be very measured with any act that might be perceived as self promotion. For me, charisma and personality are great, but all that really matters is continued production and disciplined play.

here is how i see it. they need to get patterson the ball more no matter how they do it. when has anyone ever said he has bad hands or he drops balls? not ever. he made a clutch grab tonight and i believe the coaching is as much at fault as patterson. they need to get the ball in this guys hands, not matter how. when he gets the ball thrown to him he catches it, what does that say????????

I think Patterson is a guy that feeds off energy. If you get involved early on then he will better during the game.

jackal wrote: I think Patterson is a guy that feeds off energy. If you get involved early on then he will better during the game.

I'm beginning to think the same way, guys. Like Texas Vike said, CP looked fired up while he was playing. Yeah, the penalty was dumb but the guy creates a bunch of excitement for the team, fans, and himself when he's getting the ball. And he gains yards and scores TDs.

Patterson should be given touches. He doesn't have to catch the ball all the time but he should get his hands on the ball.

jackal wrote: I think Patterson is a guy that feeds off energy. If you get involved early on then he will better during the game.

Maybe that quality comes with the number 84. Moss was the same way. He always seemed to be at his best when they got him involved early.

Kinda funny we haven't really had a good group since Carter and Moss played together.. Now we have a decent group again..

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Maybe that quality comes with the number 84. Moss was the same way. He always seemed to be at his best when they got him involved early.

Kinda funny we haven't really had a good group since Carter and Moss played together.. Now we have a decent group again..

I think they've had a few good groups since Carter left but not on the level of CC, Moss and Reed and never for long. Moss, Burleson, Robinson and Campbell were very effective and I think Rice, Harvin and Berrian were a strong trio in 2009.

I'm interested in seeing just how effective this year's WRs will actually be during the season. There's a lot of speed and talent in this group but will that translate into great productivity? As a group, they appear deep but how strong are they at the top?