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Why havent they signed 1? Other then 1 thats already on the team. how'd you'd like to be Ponder with this oline and receiving crew? Same with the D.Nothing new there. Its bottom of the barrel time. I guess Spielman is trying to keep cap space for....who?80 PurplePride 84 wrote:WHY HAVEN'T THE VIKINGS SIGNED EVERY FREE AGENT????????????!!!!!!111111!1!!!
Now we just have to convince Speilman that...HardcoreVikesFan wrote: I am not in favor of every guy. I am not dumb, this team was never going to be active. However, by the same accord, we have NO visitis lined up and have no reported interest in anyone. I fear I see the mentality we have all seen with Minnesota year in and year out. They fall in love with certain players that suck #### and continue to play them. Examples include, but are not limited to: Letroy Gunion, Anthony Herrera, Ryan Cook, Tahi, Jamarca Sanford, etc. I know for a fact that we will not see upgrades to the strong safety position.
But, screw it. This team already has lost two of its best players, no need to sign more talent. This team was lucky to make the playoffs this past season thanks to Adrian Peterson playing out of his damn mind. They will not be so lucky this year. The draft is not going to be our saving grace.
We have enough #3's and 4's. Some of us were hoping for a real number #1 for a change.fiestavike wrote:Laurent Robinson released
He put up a very good year with the cowboys in 2011 (his fifth year, and third team)
54 for 858 and 11TDs
Clearly a second or third tier guy, almost no production other than that one year, but seems like a potential Vikings type signing at only 27.
80 PurplePride 84 wrote: Herrera was solid, they cut him when he wasn't. Guion is decent rotational DT. Jamarca Sanford is a good backup and a special teams demon. None of those guys were signed in lieu of other players and none are on bad contracts. Your whole team can't be superstars.
As for Cook and Tahi, well they were Clueless' boys.
Like I said before. We were never gonna be Dolphins or the pre-Shanahan Skins, driving around in a brinks truck throwing money at everyone they see.
FA is isn't even 24 hours old yet I'm sure they'll sign someone.
I think people are overreacting because we ridded Harvin and Winfield and haven't replaced them yet.
Harvin didn't want to be here and wasn't worth the money he got and we got a great return for him. And there is no real elite FA WR out there anyway. Wallace is, arguably, but he was always going to Miami and I'm sure a lot of people here woulda complained about his contract had we signed him. Jennings is aging, injury prone and not worth the Wallace/Harvin money he wants.
As for Winfield. I loved him, we all did. I was pissed about that as many are. But you gotta look at the other side of that. He's 36 and was making 7.25m to play in the slot. Also he's been injured in recent years.
Do people want us to throw big money at decent players, just cause? Cause that's how you end up with Bernard Berrian, Madieu Williams and Remi Ayodele.
Like I said before. How many big FA signings do teams like the Pats, Packers and Steelers sign? They all build through the draft, supplement through FA, and know when it's time to move on from guys.
I'm sure we'll add depth to WR and maybe some other positions too, Free Agency is still young. Sometimes you find bargains after the 1st day when teams spend money like crazy. The Vikings goal is to find the next Harvin (or #1 WR), Winfield, etc in the draft, not in Free Agency.
Fans are fickle, and want like everyone who comes available, then complain that we re-sign special teams players forgetting that you have 53 guys on roster, not 22. Or, a personal favorite of mine; somehow blame it on Ponder ("ZOMG WE TRADE HARVIN BUT STILL HAVE CHRISTIAN BLUNDER!!111!") or Carlson. And Carlson's contract situation has been explained 132123132 times on this board.
I'd say Loadholt and Bushrod are pretty similar players, but Loadholts deficiencies are less pronounced since he is playing the less important right tackle position. I'm not against the signing, we pretty much needed to do it, but still think we overpaid.80 PurplePride 84 wrote: Loadholt is a better RT than Jermon Bushrod is a LT. Ask a Saints fan. The Bears spent $7m on a marginal upgrade of J'Marcus Webb.
We overpaid Loadholt by like a million bucks but that's better than letting him go to the Bears and opening another need that you woulda had to fill with a FA vet stop gap, waste a draft pick or just use DeMarcus freakin Love.
Like I said earlier, I wasn't expecting a haul. But ####, as I also said earlier, i see the same keep the sub-par players mentality. You know Sanford will not be replaced as a starter. Fusco? Nope, he will be starting week one and getting man handled. I just have to accept the fact that certain players will always play regardless of their ability.80 PurplePride 84 wrote:
Herrera was solid, they cut him when he wasn't. Guion is decent rotational DT. Jamarca Sanford is a good backup and a special teams demon. None of those guys were signed in lieu of other players and none are on bad contracts. Your whole team can't be superstars.
As for Cook and Tahi, well they were Clueless' boys.
Like I said before. We were never gonna be Dolphins or the pre-Shanahan Skins, driving around in a brinks truck throwing money at everyone they see.
FA is isn't even 24 hours old yet I'm sure they'll sign someone.
I think people are overreacting because we ridded Harvin and Winfield and haven't replaced them yet.
Harvin didn't want to be here and wasn't worth the money he got and we got a great return for him. And there is no real elite FA WR out there anyway. Wallace is, arguably, but he was always going to Miami and I'm sure a lot of people here woulda complained about his contract had we signed him. Jennings is aging, injury prone and not worth the Wallace/Harvin money he wants.
As for Winfield. I loved him, we all did. I was pissed about that as many are. But you gotta look at the other side of that. He's 36 and was making 7.25m to play in the slot. Also he's been injured in recent years.
Do people want us to throw big money at decent players, just cause? Cause that's how you end up with Bernard Berrian, Madieu Williams and Remi Ayodele.
Like I said before. How many big FA signings do teams like the Pats, Packers and Steelers sign? They all build through the draft, supplement through FA, and know when it's time to move on from guys.
I'm sure we'll add depth to WR and maybe some other positions too, Free Agency is still young. Sometimes you find bargains after the 1st day when teams spend money like crazy. The Vikings goal is to find the next Harvin (or #1 WR), Winfield, etc in the draft, not in Free Agency.
Fans are fickle, and want like everyone who comes available, then complain that we re-sign special teams players forgetting that you have 53 guys on roster, not 22. Or, a personal favorite of mine; somehow blame it on Ponder ("ZOMG WE TRADE HARVIN BUT STILL HAVE CHRISTIAN BLUNDER!!111!") or Carlson. And Carlson's contract situation has been explained 132123132 times on this board.
He has below average ball skills (which is putting it mildly) but is slightly above average as a run defender. He also is a rock solid special teamer and has good intangibles (hard worker, leader, etc.). He improved from the year prior and I'm hoping for another modest improvement, especially if he's going to be our starter opposite Harrison Smith.mansquatch wrote:Sanford was not sub par last year. He actually flashed quite a bit in the secondary.
Actually, we don't know that. You're assuming it. We just know the Vikings valued Sanford enough to re-sign him and considering what he contributed to the team last year, that looks a good move, not a bad one. We don't know if Sanford will start. Heck, he wasn't even a lock to start down the stretch last year but Raymond wasn't able to come back from injury and force Sanford to the bench.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Like I said earlier, I wasn't expecting a haul. But ####, as I also said earlier, i see the same keep the sub-par players mentality. You know Sanford will not be replaced as a starter.
I know you're down on Fusco but he played well at times last year and he's a young player with the potential to get better. Sometimes a team has to take their lumps when developing a player if they believe he can be worth the effort. Sullivan turned out to be worth it. Fusco might too. There's still plenty of time for the Vikes to bring in more competition at positions that need it.Fusco? Nope, he will be starting week one and getting man handled. I just have to accept the fact that certain players will always play regardless of their ability.
As others have pointed out, we're less than 24 hours into free agency so how do you know you were wrong? You went to the trouble of getting your hopes up. Why dash them to the ground so fast? There's a lot of talent still out there and the Vikes money is probably earmarked for someone. It just may not be an instantly gratifying, high profile free agent signing that occurs within the first 24 hours of free agency.For the record, I am fine with Christian Ponder as our quarterback. I was ok with the Harvin trade because we got a lot for him. However, I accepted the Winfield cut because I figured we were setting up to make some kind of move. Boy, was I wrong to think otherwise and now agitation has set in because I got my hopes up.
fiestavike wrote:edit2* he does not have a triangle on top of his head.
I agree with you about the mediocrity part. For now, anyway. I'm nourishing the hope that there is a master plan in place that will go into effect before the turn of the next century.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:In the case of TL;DR, I am frustrated because I see the same keep the sub-par players mentality right now. It pisses me off because I am sick of being mediocre team.