Re: Harvin traded
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:47 pm
Not sitting out. Just sitting on the sideline watching his offense on the field nursing a shoulder, ribs, ankle, concussion etc.
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Agreed.PurpleMustReign wrote: WOW... probably a bit high for someone who has yet to play all 16 games.
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Why_ ... says032013Leslie Frazier joked (I think) he'll write a book someday on the layers on the Percy Harvin saga. "It's complicated."
Thanks for the link.dead_poet wrote: http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Why_ ... says032013
He does but I seriously doubt his presence on the team is a divisive force in the locker room.Bill Carson wrote:My fear is that Harvin just became a scapegoat of sorts, and the lack of faith in Ponder is deeper amongst the team than just one player. Glad we got a lot in return for Harvin, but I don't see this as the final straw to create a harmonious locker room. Ponder has got to step it up this year.
Frazier downplayed the impact of any deterioration in the relationship between Harvin and quarterback Christian Ponder, saying, "I don't know if it played a major role. Those guys respected each other, from my impression. It didn't play the role that most would think. ...
"It never countered anything we were trying to do team-wise. What we tried to do game plan-wise on offense or how we tried to approach opponents, the relationship between our quarterback and Percy never interfered with what we were trying to do to win a ballgame."
Harvin wanted to be paid like a top receiver but as some of us have pointed out in the past, despite his immense talent, he doesn't bring the same things to the table that a top receiver brings. In the end, the combination of the limitations described above, his attitude issues (whatever they were) and especially his financial expectations might have been enough for Spielman to just decide he wasn't worth the money.One of the dirty little secrets about Percy Harvin as an NFL receiver is how often he's not where he's supposed to be.
He's unbelievable once he gets the ball in his hands. He's as dangerous in space as anybody in the league. And he did improve as a route-runner in 2012, before an ankle injury ended his fourth, final and finest season with the Minnesota Vikings after nine games.
But it's tough to get someone the ball when the quarterback doesn't know where he's going to be, which is why the Vikings manufactured so many of Harvin's touches near the line of scrimmage -- something the Seattle Seahawks surely will do after trading for him, too.
Coupled with the lack of a vertical threat at split end, Bill Musgrave's offense evolved to heavily emphasize short throws that only enhanced Christian Ponder's reputation among some scouts as a one-read quarterback who is challenged to produce in the intermediate to deep passing game.
I don't think it really matters. The NFL is a production business and if Ponder can't produce then he'll be replaced. The team doesn't need to have "faith" in him, but they should be trying to encourage him rather than bashing him.Bill Carson wrote:My fear is that Harvin just became a scapegoat of sorts, and the lack of faith in Ponder is deeper amongst the team than just one player. Glad we got a lot in return for Harvin, but I don't see this as the final straw to create a harmonious locker room. Ponder has got to step it up this year.
Legit concern, but just as there are posters here that are more level-headed than others in their critique of Ponder's play, there must be a wide spectrum among the players too. I suspect that Percy was holding up one (far) end of that spectrum. I'd bet that Rudolph, for example, holds quite another perspective.Bill Carson wrote:My fear is that Harvin just became a scapegoat of sorts, and the lack of faith in Ponder is deeper amongst the team than just one player. Glad we got a lot in return for Harvin, but I don't see this as the final straw to create a harmonious locker room. Ponder has got to step it up this year.