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J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:39 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:43 pm
Or they could have just got lucky.

Why must you take every comment as a shot on Kirk Cousins? I’m talking about the qualifications of a new GM, the most important of which is arguably being able to recognize quarterback talent.

KC traded two firsts and a third to move up to draft Mahomes. That’s not luck. That’s knowing what you’re doing. Luck is moving back 8 spots and still having the guy you want (Christian Darrisaw) available at 22. Luck is the Eagles taking Jalen Raegor instead of Justin Jefferson.

And besides, did you watch the KC-Buffalo game? Those are both generational quarterbacks. Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that Kirk Cousins is THAT? Do you think it’s wrong for Vikings fans to want that kind of quarterback play? I don’t.

Alaskan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:35 pm I guess I don't see the situation In Minnesota as appealing to a GM candidate as most on here. The Defense is in shambles. Its in as bad of shape as when Zimmer took over 8 years ago, maybe worse. Who do they even have to build around?? They need pieces everywhere on D. On top of that, new coach, new scheme, new players to fit into that scheme. Come on, its really not even a debate that the defense is a rebuilding project at this point. Now for the Offense. Vikings have a QB problem. Cousins is not the long term answer. NO GM is going to come into MN and tie his future to Kurt Cousins. That is a fact. Please don't debate that. I have heard enough of the Cousins debates over the last 4 years. He is what he is. He has no long term future in MN. Its delusional to think he does. Cook is aging ,injury prone and overpaid. Thelin is aging and is having some issues with injury the past few years. JJ is a legit #1 WR, no argument on that. The O-line has some pieces, but needs some pieces and a new coach and blocking scheme could mean that unit is going to get reworked as well. TE seems to be OK. Back up QB? What do we have there? You tell me. My point being with all of this is the Situation a GM walks into in MN isn't really that appealing. Both sides of the ball have some major issues and on top of all of this the New GM is gonna have to find the next Patrick Mahomes/Josh Allen/Joe Burrow/Justin Herbert. Because THAT is what is going to put this team in contention for the next 20 years. Everything else is just noise. The right young QB coupled with the right coach in the right/same system for 10 plus years is the most important thing in professional football today.

On top of the challenges for the new GM managing some of the issues listed above you have a Wilf family who has publicly stated it doesn't think this team is far from contending. Is that just smoke?......or do they really believe that? I don't think they have a clue. If they did, they would have known about the toxic situation the Speilman/Zimmer era had turned into. Its not like that situation happened overnight. The Wilfs seem more interested in the business of Football and the $ associated to it. Losing isn't good for the bottom line. Mediocrity isn't bad for business though and its easier to achieve than excellence, with a much better AVERAGE ROI than gambling on finding excellence. Finding excellence is somewhat like a crap shoot. Teams are a lot more likely to have a lot of losers before finding that winner that puts them in contention for 20 years. The Wilfs don't seem to like to do business that way. Its understandable from a business standpoint, but for Hardcore Fans, its a tough pill to swallow.

Based on what I am seeing/reading/hearing so far from parties/sources involved in Viking's football, I see more mediocrity in the future for this Franchise. Mostly because Ownership is OK with it. So, baring dumb luck in the draft like getting a Tom Brady in the 6th round I see the Vikings drafting to be competitive on Sundays, not drafting to contend in January because thats what the new GM will be directed/allowed to do by ownership. Its the safe play, and thats who the Wilfs are. They aren't gonna sign off on a trade the farm type of deal for the next Patrick Mahomes.

All of these factors are why I don't see MN as a prime destination for a top GM candidate. I could be wrong, but this is how I view the situation in MN. Mediocrity, get use to it.

Alaskan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:35 pm I guess I don't see the situation In Minnesota as appealing to a GM candidate as most on here. The Defense is in shambles. Its in as bad of shape as when Zimmer took over 8 years ago, maybe worse. Who do they even have to build around?? They need pieces everywhere on D. On top of that, new coach, new scheme, new players to fit into that scheme. Come on, its really not even a debate that the defense is a rebuilding project at this point. Now for the Offense. Vikings have a QB problem. Cousins is not the long term answer. NO GM is going to come into MN and tie his future to Kurt Cousins. That is a fact. Please don't debate that. I have heard enough of the Cousins debates over the last 4 years. He is what he is. He has no long term future in MN. Its delusional to think he does. Cook is aging ,injury prone and overpaid. Thelin is aging and is having some issues with injury the past few years. JJ is a legit #1 WR, no argument on that. The O-line has some pieces, but needs some pieces and a new coach and blocking scheme could mean that unit is going to get reworked as well. TE seems to be OK. Back up QB? What do we have there? You tell me. My point being with all of this is the Situation a GM walks into in MN isn't really that appealing. Both sides of the ball have some major issues and on top of all of this the New GM is gonna have to find the next Patrick Mahomes/Josh Allen/Joe Burrow/Justin Herbert. Because THAT is what is going to put this team in contention for the next 20 years. Everything else is just noise. The right young QB coupled with the right coach in the right/same system for 10 plus years is the most important thing in professional football today.

On top of the challenges for the new GM managing some of the issues listed above you have a Wilf family who has publicly stated it doesn't think this team is far from contending. Is that just smoke?......or do they really believe that? I don't think they have a clue. If they did, they would have known about the toxic situation the Speilman/Zimmer era had turned into. Its not like that situation happened overnight. The Wilfs seem more interested in the business of Football and the $ associated to it. Losing isn't good for the bottom line. Mediocrity isn't bad for business though and its easier to achieve than excellence, with a much better AVERAGE ROI than gambling on finding excellence. Finding excellence is somewhat like a crap shoot. Teams are a lot more likely to have a lot of losers before finding that winner that puts them in contention for 20 years. The Wilfs don't seem to like to do business that way. Its understandable from a business standpoint, but for Hardcore Fans, its a tough pill to swallow.

Based on what I am seeing/reading/hearing so far from parties/sources involved in Viking's football, I see more mediocrity in the future for this Franchise. Mostly because Ownership is OK with it. So, baring dumb luck in the draft like getting a Tom Brady in the 6th round I see the Vikings drafting to be competitive on Sundays, not drafting to contend in January because thats what the new GM will be directed/allowed to do by ownership. Its the safe play, and thats who the Wilfs are. They aren't gonna sign off on a trade the farm type of deal for the next Patrick Mahomes.

All of these factors are why I don't see MN as a prime destination for a top GM candidate. I could be wrong, but this is how I view the situation in MN. Mediocrity, get use to it.

chicagopurple wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:31 pm RBs have the shortest career in football, so dont hold your breath on ours for too ong
We have NO OL.....as in a pile of hot garbage
We have a QB that eats up your cap and doesnt produce accordingly.
We have some very good receivers but are they staying?
As noted we have a rapidly aging Defense that is in the decline.

on the up side,
We have an owner willing to spend $$$
We have a shiny new facility

Texas Vike wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:47 pm Kwesi is our GM.

Bears hired Poles.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:39 am

Alaskan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:35 pm I guess I don't see the situation In Minnesota as appealing to a GM candidate as most on here. The Defense is in shambles. Its in as bad of shape as when Zimmer took over 8 years ago, maybe worse. Who do they even have to build around?? They need pieces everywhere on D. On top of that, new coach, new scheme, new players to fit into that scheme. Come on, its really not even a debate that the defense is a rebuilding project at this point. Now for the Offense. Vikings have a QB problem. Cousins is not the long term answer. NO GM is going to come into MN and tie his future to Kurt Cousins. That is a fact. Please don't debate that. I have heard enough of the Cousins debates over the last 4 years. He is what he is. He has no long term future in MN. Its delusional to think he does. Cook is aging ,injury prone and overpaid. Thelin is aging and is having some issues with injury the past few years. JJ is a legit #1 WR, no argument on that. The O-line has some pieces, but needs some pieces and a new coach and blocking scheme could mean that unit is going to get reworked as well. TE seems to be OK. Back up QB? What do we have there? You tell me. My point being with all of this is the Situation a GM walks into in MN isn't really that appealing. Both sides of the ball have some major issues and on top of all of this the New GM is gonna have to find the next Patrick Mahomes/Josh Allen/Joe Burrow/Justin Herbert. Because THAT is what is going to put this team in contention for the next 20 years. Everything else is just noise. The right young QB coupled with the right coach in the right/same system for 10 plus years is the most important thing in professional football today.

On top of the challenges for the new GM managing some of the issues listed above you have a Wilf family who has publicly stated it doesn't think this team is far from contending. Is that just smoke?......or do they really believe that? I don't think they have a clue. If they did, they would have known about the toxic situation the Speilman/Zimmer era had turned into. Its not like that situation happened overnight. The Wilfs seem more interested in the business of Football and the $ associated to it. Losing isn't good for the bottom line. Mediocrity isn't bad for business though and its easier to achieve than excellence, with a much better AVERAGE ROI than gambling on finding excellence. Finding excellence is somewhat like a crap shoot. Teams are a lot more likely to have a lot of losers before finding that winner that puts them in contention for 20 years. The Wilfs don't seem to like to do business that way. Its understandable from a business standpoint, but for Hardcore Fans, its a tough pill to swallow.

Based on what I am seeing/reading/hearing so far from parties/sources involved in Viking's football, I see more mediocrity in the future for this Franchise. Mostly because Ownership is OK with it. So, baring dumb luck in the draft like getting a Tom Brady in the 6th round I see the Vikings drafting to be competitive on Sundays, not drafting to contend in January because thats what the new GM will be directed/allowed to do by ownership. Its the safe play, and thats who the Wilfs are. They aren't gonna sign off on a trade the farm type of deal for the next Patrick Mahomes.

All of these factors are why I don't see MN as a prime destination for a top GM candidate. I could be wrong, but this is how I view the situation in MN. Mediocrity, get use to it.

Ok now take your negative analysis and apply it to every other team without a head coach and do an analysis on them. Trust me, this destination will be much more appealing.

40for60 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:15 pm Poles going to the Bears. $&@!