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fiestavike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:30 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:40 pm

The Bear front 7 is a lot like the Raider front 7. The Bears are probably more talented overall, but it's not a huge difference. The Bears have the big bodies in the middle of the DL with good talent on the edges and a solid group of LBs led by a proven difference-maker in Mack. Like Burfict, he's a guy who flies around, disrupts things, and makes plays.

Hicks and Robertson-Harris are going to be problems, and I don't think the Raiders have anything comparable on the inside of their line. Hicks basically won that week 17 matchup last year all by himself.

Different scheme, different interior personal. IDK. I feel better about there ability to have some success with the run game this year against this front. They have faced some quality interiors thus far. Mack on the other hand, is a beast and can wreck the best of game plans all by himself. I think it comes down to minimizing Mack’s impact on the run game. Obviously it’s easier said than done, but if they can even slow him down they will find enough success to win comfortably. I feel kind of bullish about this running scheme. I would love to see them go with the same sort of “ run the football down your throat” strategy that they have been utilizing so far this season. I wanna see a statement win on the road at Soldier Field! Something that would fire up this fan base and make these players real believers! I am tired of average and I hate the Bears!!!!

Alaskan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:16 am

fiestavike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:30 pm

Hicks and Robertson-Harris are going to be problems, and I don't think the Raiders have anything comparable on the inside of their line. Hicks basically won that week 17 matchup last year all by himself.

Different scheme, different interior personal. IDK. I feel better about there ability to have some success with the run game this year against this front. They have faced some quality interiors thus far. Mack on the other hand, is a beast and can wreck the best of game plans all by himself. I think it comes down to minimizing Mack’s impact on the run game. Obviously it’s easier said than done, but if they can even slow him down they will find enough success to win comfortably. I feel kind of bullish about this running scheme. I would love to see them go with the same sort of “ run the football down your throat” strategy that they have been utilizing so far this season. I wanna see a statement win on the road at Soldier Field! Something that would fire up this fan base and make these players real believers! I am tired of average and I hate the Bears!!!!

We will have trouble scoring on the Bears. Plus they create TOs. Rodgers put up 10. IMO they better stick with the ground game our Mack will strip Cousins. Plus our D needs to have a stellar performance. Trubisky hasn't had much success we better let that continue. If not we won't win. This game will come down to our D. If we get behind by 10 turn off the lights. We won't block that pass rush and at that point anything can up and non of it will be good. .

So far the blueprint for success is to get off to a lead early. Get up by two scores and we can control the game. If we get down early, well, then we're probably screwed. This is a game we cannot have Kirk throwing 30+ passes because he's going to get pressured a ton as it is. Sefanski cannot dial up deep plays. The line just cannot hold up long enough to allow it. Three-step drops, get the ball out to Diggs/Thielen/Irv/Cook. I fear Kirk is going to be under constant duress, meaning fumbles and INTs. We'll just have to get some of our own. I anticipate a low-scoring game and whoever wins the turnover battle will come out victorious. If they stop/contain Dalvin, we are 100% screwed.

Rivalry game so I'm fired up for this one. We're going against a tough Defense, so our offense will be put to the test. I think we may have to rely on cook again but at the same time I still think there are holes in their pass D.
Our D has to contain Trubisky and that gimmicky offense. Put pressure on him and force turnovers.

Dmizzle0 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:39 am Rivalry game so I'm fired up for this one. We're going against a tough Defense, so our offense will be put to the test. I think we may have to rely on cook again but at the same time I still think there are holes in their pass D.
Our D has to contain Trubisky and that gimmicky offense. Put pressure on him and force turnovers.

They need to rely on Cook. He's a stud right now and our OL can't pass block at all. Mack we be a breakaway train. To me our D needs to take it over. If they allow this QB to pass on them we don't have a chance. Shut the stiff down and run the ball. Cousins isn't good enough to beat them alone. Rodgers put up 10 points. I don't see Cousins and our O doing that. Zim needs to plan our O only getting 7. So he has some work to do. Shut them out and we win easy. Anything beyond 7 and we won't win.

The Bears looked somewhat vulnerable to 4 WR sets when the skins started slinging it in the third.

Too bad we only have two WRs...

Put me in the camp that thinks Cook needs a good game. The problem is that the Bears know it. Cousins is going to have to show up to take pressure off of the run game. I'm not sure against Chicago he will. This is where I expect to see Cousins's roller coaster take a dive. If history is any indication he won't have what it takes to raise the offense to the level it needs to be to take on a defense like the Bears have.

Still early for so much gloom and doom though - and for a team with a winning record to boot. So on the more bright side, I think the defense matches up well against Chicago and if the offense can just get some momentum, make a couple of big plays, and the biggie - DON'T TURN THE BALL OVER, this can be a win.

The offense needs to be able to give the defense breathing room. If the defense can remain fresh they can handle Chicago no problem. If the defense doesn't get some time off the field it'll be very difficult to win.

It's week 4 and every division game is important so I'm excited. The Vikings have a lot to prove in this game and I hope they (and Cousins in particular) step up.

Cliff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:39 am Put me in the camp that thinks Cook needs a good game. The problem is that the Bears know it. Cousins is going to have to show up to take pressure off of the run game. I'm not sure against Chicago he will. This is where I expect to see Cousins's roller coaster take a dive. If history is any indication he won't have what it takes to raise the offense to the level it needs to be to take on a defense like the Bears have.

Still early for so much gloom and doom though - and for a team with a winning record to boot. So on the more bright side, I think the defense matches up well against Chicago and if the offense can just get some momentum, make a couple of big plays, and the biggie - DON'T TURN THE BALL OVER, this can be a win.

The offense needs to be able to give the defense breathing room. If the defense can remain fresh they can handle Chicago no problem. If the defense doesn't get some time off the field it'll be very difficult to win.

It's week 4 and every division game is important so I'm excited. The Vikings have a lot to prove in this game and I hope they (and Cousins in particular) step up.

Chicago lived off turnovers for scores last year and turnovers generally, and the game last night where the defense created 5 turnovers and scored a TD directly off one of them was like a 2018 Bears' Greatest Hits revival game for them.

While I still have bad dreams from the two Vikings games against the Bears last year, this is a much different type of offense that the Vikings will throw at that defense. It seems there are doubts about the Raiders run defense, but pretty much everyone seems to agree the Bears are a solid run defense, especially on the interior. So this is a perfect test to see if the Vikings running game is for real, or has it been just a fortunate run of 3 games to open the season. I remember when AD was the primary back and he'd rattle off a few 100+ games in a row against lesser defenses, then hit a brick wall against a solid run defense. Is this upcoming game against the Bears going to be that game for Dalvin Cook and the Vikings? Inquiring minds want to know.

If the Bear defense can shut the Vikings run game down, that doesn't necessarily spell doom for the Vikings, but it does mean the pressure will turn up on Kirk Cousins and the passing game to produce more, as well as avoid the types of mistakes that the 2018 Bears lived off of.

And, of course, there is the defense. Can the defense neutralize a questionable Bear offense? The Bears look pretty limited overall on offense. Their 3rd round running back is fresh, but not very dynamic from what I've seen. They lack anyone truly scary in the passing game. Trubisky, despite looking better last night, doesn't really scare anyone either. The Vikings match up well against the Bear offense and should be able to keep them at bay. Whether they can avoid the single quarter lapses on defense that have consistently cropped up during the Zimmer era is the bigger question. The Vikings have established a track record of inconsistency on defense, and this upcoming game is likely to be one where they can ill afford to continue that. They cannot allow the Bears to jump to an early, sizeable lead as they did against the Packers.

I think this game comes down to turnovers and how the defense plays. I actually expect the Bears to put the brakes on the Vikings running game. Cook and company might break off a few nice chunk runs, but overall, I think the Bears will make a point of slowing down the run and making Cousins play QB, then in obvious passing situations they'll be very aggressive and try to get Cousins to make mistakes. There are benefits to this for the Vikings if the OL can keep Cousins upright and the Vikings counter attack that pressure by throwing over the top.

This is a game that will tell us a lot about what the 2019 Vikings are made of and what their ceiling may be.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:38 am The Bears looked somewhat vulnerable to 4 WR sets when the skins started slinging it in the third.

Too bad we only have two WRs...

The game was already over at that point. They were willing to give that BS up. They needed quick strike TDs and the Bears weren't giving that up. The Skins needed to sling it early and get on top. There was no slinging. Mack was doing the slinging. They had 4 WRs then also. I've seen games were teams looked great once they were crushed. That don't cut it. What happened to the 4 WRs early? They couldn't get the ball off. That's what your missing. They would have been better off with 2 WRs or 1 and added some protection. I seen the great Case hit by one guy and cough it up. He couldn't avoided they guy and get the pass off. They needed additional blockers. It wasn't working in the 3rd as you state. They never came back. The Bears didn't allow that or the Skins didn't take it. This Bear D will get after you. A team needs to pound the rock and you can't do that with 4 WRs. You need blockers. Guys that can push people and hold people back. We could have 10 WRs and it still wouldn't work. Teams can't block their pass rush. They will blow our OL up during pass plays. Even the junk Raiders had pressure. That should tell tou something. Forget the 4 or whatever WRs. That won't work and the QB might get killed.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:38 am The Bears looked somewhat vulnerable to 4 WR sets when the skins started slinging it in the third.

Too bad we only have two WRs...

They did? What type of defense where they in?

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:39 am

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:38 am The Bears looked somewhat vulnerable to 4 WR sets when the skins started slinging it in the third.

Too bad we only have two WRs...

The game was already over at that point. They were willing to give that BS up. They needed quick strike TDs and the Bears weren't giving that up. The Skins needed to sling it early and get on top. There was no slinging. Mack was doing the slinging. They had 4 WRs then also. I've seen games were teams looked great once they were crushed. That don't cut it. What happened to the 4 WRs early? They couldn't get the ball off. That's what your missing. They would have been better off with 2 WRs or 1 and added some protection. I seen the great Case hit by one guy and cough it up. He couldn't avoided they guy and get the pass off. They needed additional blockers. It wasn't working in the 3rd as you state. They never came back. The Bears didn't allow that or the Skins didn't take it. This Bear D will get after you. A team needs to pound the rock and you can't do that with 4 WRs. You need blockers. Guys that can push people and hold people back. We could have 10 WRs and it still wouldn't work. Teams can't block their pass rush. They will blow our OL up during pass plays. Even the junk Raiders had pressure. That should tell tou something. Forget the 4 or whatever WRs. That won't work and the QB might get killed.

Matter of fact I would open in our heavy set and tell them get ready we are going to pound you all day. Sooner or later Cook will get a crease. That would be my game against this D. Keep pounding eventually they will have too much. Then it's ours with little risk.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:38 am The Bears looked somewhat vulnerable to 4 WR sets when the skins started slinging it in the third.

Too bad we only have two WRs...

They did? What type of defense where they in?

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:51 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:39 am
The game was already over at that point. They were willing to give that BS up. They needed quick strike TDs and the Bears weren't giving that up. The Skins needed to sling it early and get on top. There was no slinging. Mack was doing the slinging. They had 4 WRs then also. I've seen games were teams looked great once they were crushed. That don't cut it. What happened to the 4 WRs early? They couldn't get the ball off. That's what your missing. They would have been better off with 2 WRs or 1 and added some protection. I seen the great Case hit by one guy and cough it up. He couldn't avoided they guy and get the pass off. They needed additional blockers. It wasn't working in the 3rd as you state. They never came back. The Bears didn't allow that or the Skins didn't take it. This Bear D will get after you. A team needs to pound the rock and you can't do that with 4 WRs. You need blockers. Guys that can push people and hold people back. We could have 10 WRs and it still wouldn't work. Teams can't block their pass rush. They will blow our OL up during pass plays. Even the junk Raiders had pressure. That should tell tou something. Forget the 4 or whatever WRs. That won't work and the QB might get killed.

Matter of fact I would open in our heavy set and tell them get ready we are going to pound you all day. Sooner or later Cook will get a crease. That would be my game against this D. Keep pounding eventually they will have too much. Then it's ours with little risk.

Agree. If you have 4 wide receivers you are most likely going to have one on one with Mack and or Hicks so you better get it out fast. If you have lineman who can block them one on one you're going to win anyways.

I hope people aren't shook after seeing that Monday night game. The Redskins aren't even a good team.

Cliff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:39 am Put me in the camp that thinks Cook needs a good game. The problem is that the Bears know it. Cousins is going to have to show up to take pressure off of the run game. I'm not sure against Chicago he will. This is where I expect to see Cousins's roller coaster take a dive. If history is any indication he won't have what it takes to raise the offense to the level it needs to be to take on a defense like the Bears have.

Still early for so much gloom and doom though - and for a team with a winning record to boot. So on the more bright side, I think the defense matches up well against Chicago and if the offense can just get some momentum, make a couple of big plays, and the biggie - DON'T TURN THE BALL OVER, this can be a win.

The offense needs to be able to give the defense breathing room. If the defense can remain fresh they can handle Chicago no problem. If the defense doesn't get some time off the field it'll be very difficult to win.

It's week 4 and every division game is important so I'm excited. The Vikings have a lot to prove in this game and I hope they (and Cousins in particular) step up.

Cook definitely needs to have a good game. Not comparing him to AP but when AP was on this team other teams knew he was running all game and still couldn’t stop him all that often. This running game is at an elite level right now. They can still do it IMO and have success. We need to utilize the short pass game and get the ball out quick. Then maybe hit them with a deep ball or two. I think Chicago will expect a short pass game but cousins needs to test deep as well. I’m excited for this game. I hate playing in Chicago but I think if we play our cards right we will win. The defense can’t afford to start slow. And there should be no reason they do. Trubisky craps his pants when under pressure and struggles to read defenses. We have to be all over them from the start