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Texas Vike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:21 pm Moth: So good to see you post here. I rarely come around any more. Love reading your takes.

Today was quintessential Vikings. Taking points off the board due to a very questionable call that wasn't even made ON THE FIELD? To whom else could that happen but the Vikings?

I love that our team rallied and managed to come back today. Totally agree, Jim, that it is absurd that Diggs gets penalized for removing his helmet but the entire Packer D can choreograph celebrations like 12 year old girls at summer camp for making a stop. Diggs let his emotions get the better of him, IMO, he was hot from that previous call that took his TD away.

Cousins. What can we say? I don't think anyone here feels confident in his ability to win us the Lombardi. He can't handle the pressure.

In the pre-game one of Fox's commentators (Aikman? Howie Long?) said that what made Rodgers so good was his intelligence. Kirk has the physical ability to make all the throws, it's his mind / intelligence/ judgement / emotional makeup that is lacking.

Cliff wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:06 pm This kind if game is why I'm down on Cousins. Was it his fault the Vikings went down by 21? No.

Was he able to bring them back when the defense gave him chance after chance? No.

me4get wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:16 pm As an aside, how ridiculous is it that a player taking his helmet off outside the end zone after scoring a TD is a penalty but it's perfectly legal for an entire defensive unit to run down to the end zone and pose for a photo after a big play? The latter is easily as "unsportsmanlike" as the former.



I thought only after TDs you were allowed to have group celebrations on the field.

Mothman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:29 pm
Honestly, it's not hindsight. I was annoyed by the decision in the moment, before a single down was played, because I didn't think it was a smart move on the road in GB's home opener.

I realize deferring has become very common (it's the choice about 90% of the time) but teams don't always do it and I think "everybody does it" is a poor excuse for anything. A coach should still consider the wisdom of that choice. It can make a difference.

me4get wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:49 pm

me4get wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:16 pm As an aside, how ridiculous is it that a player taking his helmet off outside the end zone after scoring a TD is a penalty but it's perfectly legal for an entire defensive unit to run down to the end zone and pose for a photo after a big play? The latter is easily as "unsportsmanlike" as the former.



I thought only after TDs you were allowed to have group celebrations on the field.

I looked it up, celebrations are allow after big plays if they don't delay the game. the 60+ yds the pack ran to get to the endzone sure seems be delaying the game.

Purple Reign wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:53 pmEvery team wants the ball on offense to start the 2nd half, that is why they defer. I'm sure it is more than 90%, probably closer to 98%. About the only time a team will take the ball on the coin flip is if it is in overtime.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:43 pm

Cliff wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:06 pm This kind if game is why I'm down on Cousins. Was it his fault the Vikings went down by 21? No.

Was he able to bring them back when the defense gave him chance after chance? No.

QBs have bad games like all players. They couldn't stop our ground game. Why even throw the ball. This new OC we have is the guy I'm down on. Pound them into the ground. Keep Rodgers on the bench and give the D some time off. Is it that hard to figure out. And then throw on 1st and goal when your QB is off and they can't stop the running game. This OC is as dumb as I ever seen. This is a one and done guy.

VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:34 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:43 pm
QBs have bad games like all players. They couldn't stop our ground game. Why even throw the ball. This new OC we have is the guy I'm down on. Pound them into the ground. Keep Rodgers on the bench and give the D some time off. Is it that hard to figure out. And then throw on 1st and goal when your QB is off and they can't stop the running game. This OC is as dumb as I ever seen. This is a one and done guy.

It looks like am in the minority here but I don't think the pass play call was a bad call because you have the defense a little "run aggressive". It's first down and if you've decided that you're going for it on 4th down, the it's ok to look for a wide open receiver in the end zone on first down BUT the QB MUST throw it away if it's not a wide open play.

I can excuse Cousins for having an off play throwing....it happens. (though it seems to be becoming a trend for Cousins in anything that even resembles a big game) What I can't excuse is his decision to not throw the ball away on that play. Coming out of this game, that play and the Offensive PI on Cooke (?????) are the two plays I can't get out of my mind. The refs called 3 Offensive PI calls on the Vikes today, The one's on Cooke and Theiland were complete crap, and the one on Diggs might have technically been PI but you see it on almost every contested pass play.

VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:34 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:43 pm
QBs have bad games like all players. They couldn't stop our ground game. Why even throw the ball. This new OC we have is the guy I'm down on. Pound them into the ground. Keep Rodgers on the bench and give the D some time off. Is it that hard to figure out. And then throw on 1st and goal when your QB is off and they can't stop the running game. This OC is as dumb as I ever seen. This is a one and done guy.

It looks like am in the minority here but I don't think the pass play call was a bad call because you have the defense a little "run aggressive". It's first down and if you've decided that you're going for it on 4th down, the it's ok to look for a wide open receiver in the end zone on first down BUT the QB MUST throw it away if it's not a wide open play.

I can excuse Cousins for having an off play throwing....it happens. (though it seems to be becoming a trend for Cousins in anything that even resembles a big game) What I can't excuse is his decision to not throw the ball away on that play. Coming out of this game, that play and the Offensive PI on Cooke (?????) are the two plays I can't get out of my mind. The refs called 3 Offensive PI calls on the Vikes today, The one's on Cooke and Theiland were complete crap, and the one on Diggs might have technically been PI but you see it on almost every contested pass play.

Mothman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:05 pm

Purple Reign wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:53 pmEvery team wants the ball on offense to start the 2nd half, that is why they defer. I'm sure it is more than 90%, probably closer to 98%. About the only time a team will take the ball on the coin flip is if it is in overtime.

I understand WHY they defer and I don't really care about the exact percentage. Even if it's 99.9%, I stand by what I said: "everybody does it" is a poor excuse for any decision. A coach should actually think about a choice like that because it has consequences. Settling with a default choice just because it's conventional wisdom doesn't cut it for me. Consider the setting. Consider the opponent, the weather conditions, etc.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:05 pm

VikeFanInEagleLand wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:34 pm

It looks like am in the minority here but I don't think the pass play call was a bad call because you have the defense a little "run aggressive". It's first down and if you've decided that you're going for it on 4th down, the it's ok to look for a wide open receiver in the end zone on first down BUT the QB MUST throw it away if it's not a wide open play.

I can excuse Cousins for having an off play throwing....it happens. (though it seems to be becoming a trend for Cousins in anything that even resembles a big game) What I can't excuse is his decision to not throw the ball away on that play. Coming out of this game, that play and the Offensive PI on Cooke (?????) are the two plays I can't get out of my mind. The refs called 3 Offensive PI calls on the Vikes today, The one's on Cooke and Theiland were complete crap, and the one on Diggs might have technically been PI but you see it on almost every contested pass play.

Of course it wasn't a bad call...unless you have a bad QB. Today we had a bad QB.

This is not high school football. you have to be able to call a pass play occasionally to keep defenses honest.

Purple Reign wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:35 pm

Mothman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:05 pm

I understand WHY they defer and I don't really care about the exact percentage. Even if it's 99.9%, I stand by what I said: "everybody does it" is a poor excuse for any decision. A coach should actually think about a choice like that because it has consequences. Settling with a default choice just because it's conventional wisdom doesn't cut it for me. Consider the setting. Consider the opponent, the weather conditions, etc.

So what makes you think taking the ball would have been a better choice? The Packer's offense looked horrible last week plus the fact that the Viking defense was outstanding and the weather was a non factor. Just because it was their home opener isn't enough of a reason to go against conventional wisdom to defer. I have no problem with the Vikings decision to defer. As I said, most team prefer to start the 2nd half with the ball.