808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 pm
I'm glad you admit he has limitations. I don't agree that he doesn't take chances as Diggs and Thielen were up there in contested catches. Cousins does get bailed out quite a bit. I just want people to admit his ball security and decision making is very suspect and needs to be addressed. In essence, he is part of the problem.
Yes, he has limitations. I think every QB has limitations. My point is, I think there are ways to minimize the risks associated with those limitations by not consistently putting him into situations where the limitations are more exposed, which I felt happened to him a lot last year.
Cousins could definitely secure the ball better by holding it closer to his chest and more in front of his body when he's scanning the field. Absolutely he could and should do that. But once the wind up starts, most QBs will fumble if their arms are hit.
Decision making isn't terrible in my view. I've watched QBs who consistently made bad decisions (e.g. Christian Ponder) and I personally think a QB who consistently makes bad decisions doesn't stay in the league long, much less as long as Cousins has managed to stay in not just as a journeyman at his position, but an established starter.
But you put any QB under constant pressure and in obvious passing situations with obvious play calling and that QB's decision making is going to look shaky.
I guess we'll just have to disagree on the decision-making aspect of this for now, but I think Cousins shows more good decision-making than bad decision-making overall.
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 pm
So are we saying that in the 8 years (5 starting) Cousins has been in the league, he was never put in a good situation? Is that why none of the teams he led didn't win more than 9 games and has a record of 4-24 against winning teams? I have a hard time believing that. I really don't know what Cousins best is. Yeah he puts up stats, but his record speaks volumes IMO. There's something missing in his game to put him over the top. I believe he makes critical mistakes, and doesn't make the big play when necessary.
Just read what you wrote there. Cousins has been in the NFL for 8 years and spent 5 as a starter. That's actually quite impressive given the typical shelf life of pro QBs. If the guy was really as questionable as you seem to believe he is, don't you think he'd at least have been shuffled around a lot more and/or had a career more like Case Keenum's as a journeyman?
I'd claim he's had the career he has because he's actually a better option than others and the team's he's been on have as much admitted that.
As for his record, it's a team sport, and teams win and lose games. To put that solely on Cousins is about as fair as calling out Bud Grant as a coach for not winning a Superbowl. I think everyone can agree Grant was an outstanding coach. The end result doesn't tell the whole story.
But to the critical mistakes and big play, you could be right about that. All I'd say to that, though, is if you need a rock star to front your band because the other guys in the band aren't great at what they do, then you better make sure you find a rock star singer. If you have good musicians in the band, you don't need the rock star for the music to sound great. Cousins isn't a rock star QB, but he's more than good enough if the rest of the team around him plays better. I'll leave it at that.
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 pm
I think what you're ultimately saying is Cousins does have limitations and he's not the main problem. With a better running game, better protection, Cousins and the offense may flourish. I can agree with this. I mean I do think he'll put up his numbers which I could care less about. Even if the Vikings do have a solid team top to bottom, I still dread what Cousins will do when a play does break down. Maybe the Vikings can build big enough leads so we won't have to find out.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
If the Vikings do build big enough leads, Cousins is going to be one of the reasons that happens. Even if he does make a boneheaded decision when the play breaks down as you fear, that won't disprove my point.