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Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:05 am
by Mothman
fiestavike wrote:The run blocking this preseason has been concerning, however I found Turner's comments about spreading the field a little bit for Adrian to be a reason for optimism. Peterson gets from the handoff to the line so quickly that draws and dives against a spread out defense are really exciting propositions. They may not require dominant run blocking. It also creates a threat from spread formations that might force defenders to respect the run and allow more weapons more time to get open in the pass game.
It should be interesting to see how it works out. Barry Sanders spent a lot of his career running out of spread formations and he gained a few yards.
The downside on passing plays is that a spread formation puts more pressure on the pass protectors.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:07 am
by dead_poet
mansquatch wrote:The early signs are pointing towards us grabbing OL talent in the upcomign draft. That position group is currently the one with the biggest holes. Of course, no games have been played, thus come December the view on that topic could be quite different.
There's a lot to be determined between now and then but I would agree that it's an...unsettled position group for the future. How Phil recovers, potential contract restructuring and how TJ Clemmings performs this season are big considerations for the future of our starting right tackle. How Kalil performs this season will ultimately make the decision at the left tackle going forward. Is Harris the long-term answer at right guard? I'm skeptical. He seems more like a misfit stopgap but I hope to be proven wrong. Sullivan has had several injury issues and is 30. It may not be a bad idea to start grooming his replacement. Fusco might be the only guy that I have confidence in at this point in the short and long-term.
I'm also not sold on the secondary (yet) and wouldn't be surprised if corner and safety were two other positional groups to look at hard/early in next year's draft.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:52 am
by mansquatch
As I said, no games have been played so things most likely WILL change.
My guess is that one of the unknowns will shine and one of the others will lose luster. (Early candidate for the latter is Sullivan, but hope that ends up being wrong) Spielman has tended to address position groups in bursts of players vs. just one here, one there. I think back to where the team was at with LB and WR a few years ago vs. where we are today. It took a few cycles but now both groups look to be on the rise.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:02 am
by fiestavike
Mothman wrote:
It should be interesting to see how it works out. Barry Sanders spent a lot of his career running out of spread formations and he gained a few yards.
The downside on passing plays is that a spread formation puts more pressure on the pass protectors.
That's not a bad comparison. As I recall the Lions offensive line were often compared to basketball players during those days. They more or less just got in the way a little bit. I don't know how fair or accurate that was, but I do remember it kind of became conventional wisdom. Its easy to run block as a T if all you have to do is go into a pass set and let the guy run himself out of the play.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:26 am
by chicagopurple
I am not convinced that we have addressed any of the outstanding problems from last year. The OL is NOT improved. Our secondary is still very suspect, and now our kicker is having a crisis.....I think its a bit of delusional thinking to just say that the return of AP will fix everything.....I feel like they tried to tune up the secondary but really have done nothing about our OL.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:51 am
by 84BreaksAnkles
Scoggins was RIGHT.. ALL OF YOUR WORRIES WERE/ARE JUSTIFIEd
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:40 am
by Demi
The only way they can go is up!
Clemmings not much experience. A right guard playing left guard. A right tackle playing right guard.
Clemmings standing back there and running into Teddy.
There are going to be some growing pains.
Kalil didn't look that bad though!
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:04 pm
by PsyDanny
Demi wrote:
Clemmings standing back there and running into Teddy.
What the heck was he doing way back there - waiting for a drone to bring him lunch?
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:10 am
by jackal
I believe Jake Long is still up for grabs .. I am wondering if the Vikings might grab him after Monday Night
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:12 am
by dead_poet
jackal wrote:I believe Jake Long is still up for grabs .. I am wondering if the Vikings might grab him after Monday Night
He signed with Atlanta on Tuesday.
Re: Scoggins: Offensive line might block Vikings from succes
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:53 am
by jackal
He signed with Atlanta on Tuesday.
Figures