Which of these would be your guy at 11?
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I choose OL because having an all pro talent next Kalil would up his game as well.
Look at Dallas last year.. their offense was so much better with Romo getting protection
and having clean running lanes...
Look at Dallas last year.. their offense was so much better with Romo getting protection
and having clean running lanes...
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Wow I would be happy with any of those guys if they were on our roster. My opinion of drafting WRs must be a little skewed from the Troy Williamson fiasco, and CP not living up to expectations.Mothman wrote: There are always exceptions but as you can see if you look at last year's top WRs, there was definitely some correlation between being drafted in the first two rounds and production. I imagine the correlation would be similar in many other seasons.
Last year's top 10 wide receivers (from NFL.com):
Antonio Brown (R6, pick 195)
Demaryius Thomas (R1, pick 22)
Julio Jones (R1, pick 6)
Emmanuel Sanders (R3, pick 82)
Golden Tate (R2, pick 60)
Jordy Nelson (R2, pick 36)
Julian Edelman (R7, pick 232)
Odell Beckham (R1, pick 12)
Randall Cobb (R2, pick 64)
Dez Bryant (R1, pick 24)
4 of the top 10 were picked in round 1, and 7 of the 10 were picked in the first two rounds.
The next 5 were:
Alshon Jeffery (R2, pick 45)
Andre Johnson (R1, pick 3)
Jeremy Maclin (R1, pick 19)
Jarvis Landry (R2, pick 63)
Anquan Boldin (R2, pick 54)
All 5 were chosen in the first two rounds.
Calvin Johnson missed some time with injuries last year but is obviously still one of the league's best receivers and he was a first round pick too.
System and QB obviously play a role too so it's obviously no coincidence that the WRs in that top 15 who weren't chosen in the first 2 rounds are playing with Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
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Definitely Cooper if he's still there. If not, I'd go with Scherff.
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There isn't a chance I would go with Scherff if those guys are available. There are some very good guards that will be available in middle rounds such as Tomlinson, Marpet, Cann, Jackson, etc. No need to take a guard at 11
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I can see Scherff as he offers position flexibility and could theoretically be in the mix to be a legit starting LT if Kalil proves he's not the answer at LT. If we don't draft a guy high that has legit possibility of being an asset at LT and Kalil proves he's a liability in 2016 we'll be almost forced to take a tackle high, which is never preferable.Pondering Her Percy wrote:There isn't a chance I would go with Scherff if those guys are available. There are some very good guards that will be available in middle rounds such as Tomlinson, Marpet, Cann, Jackson, etc. No need to take a guard at 11
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Would like to see Beasley added to this list
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Well there are 15 other players that you could add to this list but the topic is who would you take from these choices.IIsweet wrote:Would like to see Beasley added to this list
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That's the way I look at it. A guy who can start at LG and has a chance at LT would be a wise choice. At the same time, you can't force it. That player may not be there at 11 or there may be someone too good to pass up at another position.dead_poet wrote: I can see Scherff as he offers position flexibility and could theoretically be in the mix to be a legit starting LT if Kalil proves he's not the answer at LT. If we don't draft a guy high that has legit possibility of being an asset at LT and Kalil proves he's a liability in 2016 we'll be almost forced to take a tackle high, which is never preferable.
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Yeah exactly, it'd be really smart to pick him up to be a dominate LG or potentially Kalil replacement if necessary. Honestly I don't know how anyone can clamor for yet another skill position player while our young franchise QB get's sacked 40+ times with this god awful pass blocking. Maybe it doesn't need to be #11 but something has to be done about it.dead_poet wrote: I can see Scherff as he offers position flexibility and could theoretically be in the mix to be a legit starting LT if Kalil proves he's not the answer at LT. If we don't draft a guy high that has legit possibility of being an asset at LT and Kalil proves he's a liability in 2016 we'll be almost forced to take a tackle high, which is never preferable.
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That's why people can "clamor" for skill position players. The 11th pick isn't the only opportunity to address the issues on the o-line and when picking that high, it makes sense to look for the best value and the most impact (at least I think so). Nobody ever knows for sure but I think if Cooper and Scherff were both available, Cooper would offer more potential impact and a better value than Scherff, who would most likely be playing guard if he joined the Vikings.mondry wrote:exactly, it'd be really smart to pick him up to be a dominate LG or potentially Kalil replacement if necessary. Honestly I don't know how anyone can clamor for yet another skill position player while our young franchise QB get's sacked 40+ times with this god awful pass blocking. Maybe it doesn't need to be #11 but something has to be done about it.
I'm not sold on the idea that Scherff would be a good backup plan in the event that Kalil doesn't work out anyway. It seems to me he projects better as a right tackle in the NFL than a left tackle.
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Plus there was a lot of injury on the offensive line. If they're healthy I expect the O-line to be better.Mothman wrote: That's why people can "clamor" for skill position players. The 11th pick isn't the only opportunity to address the issues on the o-line and when picking that high, it makes sense to look for the best value and the most impact (at least I think so). Nobody ever knows for sure but I think if Cooper and Scherff were both available, Cooper would offer more potential impact and a better value than Scherff, who would most likely be playing guard if he joined the Vikings.
I'm not sold on the idea that Scherff would be a good backup plan in the event that Kalil doesn't work out anyway. It seems to me he projects better as a right tackle in the NFL than a left tackle.
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Interesting. I haven't heard many people come to that conclusion (I think Mel Kiper said that early on back in January). Why do you think that? Short arms? I keep seeing "not an athlete" flying around when that's really not the case. His 7.07 three-cone time would have been good for second best at the Combine since 2006. His 5.07 seconds in the 40 was best amongst the elite OT prospects. You're not named consensus All-America and winner of the Outland Trophy on run-blocking prowess alone (an award won by Joe Thomas, among others). I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious.Mothman wrote:It seems to me he projects better as a right tackle in the NFL than a left tackle.
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Basically, although he's athletic, I think he's going to struggle against speed rushers at the next level. I'm just not convinced he has the quickness and footwork to be a reliable starting left tackle in the NFL. I could be wrong about that but to me, he looks vulnerable to inside moves and speed off the edge.dead_poet wrote: Interesting. I haven't heard many people come to that conclusion (I think Mel Kiper said that early on back in January). Why do you think that? Short arms? I keep seeing "not an athlete" flying around when that's really not the case. His 7.07 three-cone time would have been good for second best at the Combine since 2006. His 5.07 seconds in the 40 was best amongst the elite OT prospects. You're not named consensus All-America and winner of the Outland Trophy on run-blocking prowess alone (an award won by Joe Thomas, among others). I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious.
Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player but I think playing him inside will emphasize his strengths and if he's going to play tackle, the right side makes more sense to me because he'd face fewer speed rushers and have more opportunities to drive block.
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I know, I am just a big fan of Beasley. I could see him being either Vernon Gholston or Dwight Freeney.Purple bruise wrote: Well there are 15 other players that you could add to this list but the topic is who would you take from these choices.
I voted for Scherff. Believe the OL is where games are won and lost. Giving a little more time to TB for passes, a little bigger hole to run through, and maybe a fire under Kalil is exactly what we need.
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And that is a big reason why I like Scherff and I wouldnt say he's a bad pick but if Amari Cooper is there, I would never consider Scherff. I'm just saying based on the players listed in the original post, Cooper is easily the best. If it's down to just Scherff, Waynes and Parker, it would be a toss up for me. But I would prefer Waynes or Parker. The guard position is pretty deep this year.dead_poet wrote: I can see Scherff as he offers position flexibility and could theoretically be in the mix to be a legit starting LT if Kalil proves he's not the answer at LT. If we don't draft a guy high that has legit possibility of being an asset at LT and Kalil proves he's a liability in 2016 we'll be almost forced to take a tackle high, which is never preferable.
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