Next coach will be..........?

[saint33]

It might be more interesting to start a thread about the next coach and take odds on how many games he'll get to coach before fans start posting that they want him fired!

screw games, we should put a mark on how many interviews before we're calling for his head

[yesmanfan]

You're free to do as you wish. I'm going to look at last season AND this season, which includes 16 games. We're only 2 games into 2012 with a drastically refurbished roster. My judgement will come after our last game. Ah. Screw it. We've seen enough from 2012. They're all worthless. Cowher, Billick FTW!

in some sense you are definitely right, and to be honest i gave him the benefit of the doubt coming into the season and thought he might learn some lessons about being too conservative and learning situational football at the end of the game.

then game 1 happened. and then game 2 happened. it is very obvious it is difficult for him to adapt and improve on his shortcomings. i was hoping/praying it was simply because it was his first year as a head coach in the nfl and if you see my post above i do acknowledge that there is a very very small chance they may learn from their early season disasters and make some drastic changes in philosophy, but im not holding my breath.

[Mothman]

Four (max). But the NEXT coach should be better (he couldn't be worse than the guy that replaced Frazier!). Of course, with the Wilfs in charge we're going nowhere. And now they got a new stadium so they'll be sticking around making horrible decisions. So the future is hopeless. What's the point of anything?

It's hopeless. Hopeless!

[yesmanfan]

the most pathetic part is if you guys don't want to talk about it you don't have to. you don't have the ability to ignore, so you still post and make sarcastic comments with zero substance just repeating what the 2nd guy to post in this thread has said. lame.

[dead_poet]

I'm not going to re-hash the stats again but it's interesting how little credit Frazier gets as a defensive coordinator. But...oh yeah, that's right. That was a product of the players, not the horrible scheme/coaching.

[yesmanfan]

let me put it a different way, so you guys can join the conversation.

what is the percentage chance that frazier will be fired this year?

yes i know its very difficult to predict and this season could still go in a different direction than most people think. but hey this is a forum, that's in part what is for.

[dead_poet]

and make some drastic changes in philosophy

What changes in philosophy are you suggesting? Seriously. I'd like to know. Winging it downfield for the heck of it? Taking the ball out of the hands of one of our TWO offensive playmakers just because it feels like the right thing to do? Which A.J. Green, Brandon Lloyd, Randy Moss, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Marques Coleston, Miles Austin, Dez Bryant-caliber receiver do you suggest we throw it to? The 7th rounder that barely made the team the last two years or the former seventh rounder cut by four different teams that barely made the roster this year or the 30-year-old hobbled snail that wouldn't be on the roster without slicing his salary in half? And with our offensive line barely able to keep the pass rush at bay for 2 seconds, it makes sense to Martz it up with five to seven-step drops that'll lead to Ponder getting mauled, fumble and tossing ill-advised interceptions.

But, you're right. Just throw the ball. It's what works, automatically, in today's NFL.

[dead_poet]

let me put it a different way, so you guys can join the conversation.

what is the percentage chance that frazier will be fired this year?

I like it!

50%

[PurpleKoolaid]

I dunno. This guy seems to be missing him a whole lot.
That guy seems to think we'd be far better off with Childress.

Saying someone is better then Fraizer isnt yearning. Just about anyone could coach this team better the Fraizer has. And you are the one missing soimething. Doh.

[dead_poet]

Saying someone is better then Fraizer isnt yearning. Just about anyone could coach this team better the Fraizer has. And you are the one missing soimething. Doh.

You're right. I shouldn't have said you were "yearning" for Childress. You simply believe he's a better head coach. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. At the end of the season I may agree with you. But I cringe at the series of events that would lead me to that conclusion.

[yesmanfan]

Or how many games do the Vikes win for him to stay on? 5 I would say.

good question, ill say 8, if i was owner i would set the bar at 10.

[PurpleKoolaid]

let me put it a different way, so you guys can join the conversation.

what is the percentage chance that frazier will be fired this year?

yes i know its very difficult to predict and this season could still go in a different direction than most people think. but hey this is a forum, that's in part what is for.

May as well give it up. Im betting alot of these guys were saying the same things about Childress and Tjoke when they were here. You have to waste, i mean give, them years to figure out if they are even competent. And the funny thing is, now they blame everything on Childress. As if Fraizer and Spielman had any say in what team has become.

[PurpleKoolaid]

You're right. I shouldn't have said you were "yearning" for Childress. You simply believe he's a better head coach. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. At the end of the season I may agree with you. But I cringe at the series of events that would lead me to that conclusion.

How many games did Childress win in the equal amount of games as HC (or interm HC in this case) as Fraizer has. Or do wins not count?

[yesmanfan]

What changes in philosophy are you suggesting? .

great question:

its called switching from 1980s style ultra conservative, rely on the defense, special teams, and run game. to a modern day approach of being more aggressive and creative in your offensive playcalling throughout the entire game.

its called using the pass to set up the run and to the run ball when the other team doesn't expect it.

its called not overly running the ball in the first half when the defense is super fresh.

its called not running the ball 3 times (the 3rd time on 3rd and 6 with toby gerhart up the middle with 8 in the box) when you are up by less than 7 points and the other team is going to have over a minute and good field position.

in fraziers press conference he actually slipped and said he expected to run it 3 times and punt and never even gave a thought to getting the first down. then he contradicted himself and said you gotta be able to run the ball when they expect to run the ball. if jenkins doesn't get called for a phantom penalty the strategy would have been sound except for he doesn't even expect to get (or go for) the first down which would win the game.

i could give countless examples of his ultra conservative rely on your tired, untalented defense at the end of games. its not the new nfl, he doesnt understand things have changed and when you line up wide and throw on all 3 or 4 downs its super super hard to stop. and when you start to mix in the run after you have the defense on their heels and tired big things happen.

hope this answers your question, i just wish someone would say it to frazier.

[dead_poet]

great question:

its called switching from 1980s style ultra conservative, rely on the defense, special teams, and run game. to a modern day approach of being more aggressive and creative in your offensive playcalling throughout the entire game.

its called using the pass to set up the run and to the run ball when the other team doesn't expect it.

its called not overly running the ball in the first half when the defense is super fresh.

its called not running the ball 3 times (the 3rd time on 3rd and 6 with toby gerhart up the middle with 8 in the box) when you are up by less than 7 points and the other team is going to have over a minute and good field position.

in fraziers press conference he actually slipped and said he expected to run it 3 times and punt and never even gave a thought to getting the first down. then he contradicted himself and said you gotta be able to run the ball when they expect to run the ball. if jenkins doesn't get called for a phantom penalty the strategy would have been sound except for he doesn't even expect to get (or go for) the first down which would win the game.

i could give countless examples of his ultra conservative rely on your tired, untalented defense at the end of games. its not the new nfl, he doesnt understand things have changed and when you line up wide and throw on all 3 or 4 downs its super super hard to stop. and when you start to mix in the run after you have the defense on their heels and tired big things happen.

hope this answers your question, i just wish someone would say it to frazier.

Yes, but don't you have to have the right pieces in place to take advantage of this philosophy? That's what I'm saying. We don't. Not yet. So why force it? I just don't see how doing that has any greater chance of success with the team that Frazier has to work with. The Vikings have identified the issue and drafted a premiere left tackle that excels in pass blocking to protect the QB. They drafted a tall-pass-catching tight end in round 2 of last year. They signed a tall, pass-catching tight end this year in free agency. They spent a couple of fourth round picks on high-upside receivers this year. They aren't oblivious to the fact they need to get better passing the ball. But you must have the horses to do it. Otherwise you're just asking for trouble by attempting to be something you're not.