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http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikin ... rs-offenseTurner, though, brings a well-worn reputation as having one of the more aggressive downfield passing games in the league, which probably makes it easier for the Vikings' receivers to see past the indoctrination phase in his offense.
"What he says, you can pretty much stamp it in concrete," Jennings said. "He’s one of those guys that’s not going to give you a bunch of leeway because his offense works. It’s proven and that’s one of his statements he makes. ‘Look guys, I’ve been around a little bit longer than most guys in this building and this has worked.’"
And even though the coaching change will mean Jennings has to adapt to a new way of thinking and second-year receiver Cordarrelle Patterson has to digest another scheme, the payoff could be worth it for the Vikings' receivers.
"I had the opportunity to talk to [Browns receiver] Josh Gordon at the Pro Bowl," Patterson said. "He was telling me, ‘My coach is going to get you the football. Not just you -- everybody on your team, running backs, tight ends. Everybody is going to get the ball.'"
From what Jennings is saying, it sounds like most offenses have fewer variables."If last year's offense was complicated," Jennings said, "guys will struggle with this one."
At the other end of the learning curve, however, could be rejuvenation for an offense that seemed ill-prepared to use all of its playmakers the past two seasons. Whether the Vikings had to simplify things to compensate for their instability at quarterback or whether Musgrave's offense just had fewer variables, the Vikings' passing game sagged the past two seasons, even as Adrian Peterson presented Minnesota's offense with as many favorable matchups as almost any in the league. According to ESPN Stats & Information, opponents put eight defenders in the box on 196 snaps against the Vikings last season; only the San Francisco 49ers saw that look more often. But instead of taking advantage of teams loading up to stop Peterson, the Vikings sputtered, finishing 23rd in the league in both passing yards and yards per attempt. When they faced eight-man fronts, their QBR of 9.5 was the third-worst in the league.
Yeah, just watched Jenning's press conference and he also said 1 play in Turner's system has more options than Musgrave's whole playbook haha. Of course he also said he was being sarcastic to cover his butt! lol.Mothman wrote:Thanks for the link, dead_poet. This caught my eye:
From what Jennings is saying, it sounds like most offenses have fewer variables.
I'm not sure the reasons for the Vikings "sagging" passing game have been particularly mysterious or scheme-oriented: there have been talent issues and erratic performances (especially at QB) over the past several seasons. Jennings and Patterson helped with the former and thankfully, Cassel started actually finding Jennings but for years now, most of the players involved in the passing game have been inconsistent.
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1975 23 College Oregon Graduate Assistant
1976 24 College USC Wide Receivers
1977 25 College USC Wide Receivers
1978 26 College USC Wide Receivers
1979 27 College USC Wide Receivers
1980 28 College USC Defensive Backs
1981 29 College USC Quarterbacks
1982 30 College USC Quarterbacks
1983 31 College USC Quarterbacks
1984 32 College USC Offensive Coordinator
1985 33 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers
1986 34 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers
1987 35 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
1988 36 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
1989 37 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
1990 38 NFL Los Angeles Rams Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
1991 39 NFL Dallas Cowboys Offensive Coordinator/QBs
1992 40 NFL Dallas Cowboys Offensive Coordinator/QBs
1993 41 NFL Dallas Cowboys Offensive Coordinator/QBs
1994 42 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
1995 43 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
1996 44 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
1997 45 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
1998 46 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
1999 47 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
2000 48 NFL Washington Redskins Head Coach
2001 49 NFL San Diego Chargers Offensive Coordinator
2002 50 NFL Miami Dolphins Offensive Coordinator
2003 51 NFL Miami Dolphins Offensive Coordinator
2004 52 NFL Oakland Raiders Head Coach
2005 53 NFL Oakland Raiders Head Coach
2006 54 NFL San Francisco 49ers Offensive Coordinator
2007 55 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2008 56 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2009 57 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2010 58 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2011 59 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2012 60 NFL San Diego Chargers Head Coach
2013 61 NFL Cleveland Browns Offensive Coordinator
While neither of them has been with as many teams, Pete Carroll and Tom Coughlin both began their NFL coaching careers in 1984, a year before Turner. Sneaky Pete is with his 6th team, and Coughlin is with his 5th (though, he is on his second stint with the Giants). Obviously Carroll took some time away from the NFL with USC, as well.Eli wrote:Holy ####. I was just looking at Norv Turner's resume. Norv first started coaching in the NFL in 1985. The Vikings are his ninth NFL team. I wonder if there is anyone else still coach who has kicked around the league with as many teams.
Was his last Super Bowl appearance in 1993 with the Cowboys, or did I miss something?
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1975 23 NFL Baltimore Colts Special Assistant
1976 24 NFL Detroit Lions Assistant Special Teams
1977 25 NFL Detroit Lions Assistant Special Teams/TEs/WRs
1978 26 NFL Denver Broncos Assistant Special Teams/Defensive Assistant
1979 27 NFL New York Giants Special Teams
1980 28 NFL New York Giants Special Teams
1981 29 NFL New York Giants Special Teams/Linebackers
1982 30 NFL New York Giants Special Teams/Linebackers
1983 31 NFL New York Giants Linebackers
1984 32 NFL New York Giants Linebackers
1985 33 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator
1986 34 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator
1987 35 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator
1988 36 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator
1989 37 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator/Secondary
1990 38 NFL New York Giants Defensive Coordinator/Secondary
1991 39 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach
1992 40 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach
1993 41 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach
1994 42 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach
1995 43 NFL Cleveland Browns Head Coach
1996 44 NFL New England Patriots Assistant Head Coach/Secondary
1997 45 NFL New York Jets Assistant Head Coach/Secondary
1998 46 NFL New York Jets Assistant Head Coach/Secondary
1999 47 NFL New York Jets Assistant Head Coach/Secondary
2000 48 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2001 49 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2002 50 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2003 51 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2004 52 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2005 53 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2006 54 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2007 55 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2008 56 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2009 57 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2010 58 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2011 59 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2012 60 NFL New England Patriots Head Coach
2013 61 NFL New England Patriots Head CoachNo, that was the last time he coached in a Super Bowl.Eli wrote:Holy ####. I was just looking at Norv Turner's resume. Norv first started coaching in the NFL in 1985. The Vikings are his ninth NFL team. I wonder if there is anyone else still coach who has kicked around the league with as many teams.
Was his last Super Bowl appearance in 1993 with the Cowboys, or did I miss something?
Thanks. They're exactly the same age and both started coaching in 1975, right out of college, the difference being that Belichick jumped right into the pros. That's impressive.frosted21 wrote: And then, there's Bill Belichick:He has been around seemingly, forever. Still not as many different teams as Norv, though.Code: Select all
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Thanks. When was Zimmer's last appearance? Was it also with the Cowboys in the 90s?Mothman wrote: No, that was the last time he coached in a Super Bowl.
Yes, it was the Cowboys last Super Bowl win in '95 (under Switzer). I think Zimmer was the defensive backs coach.Eli wrote: Thanks. When was Zimmer's last appearance? Was it also with the Cowboys in the 90s?
Mothman wrote:The Cowboy's wildcard game win over the Vikings the following year [December 28, 1996] was the last time Zimmer was on the winning end of a postseason game as a coach.
It's an eye-opener.Eli wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little optimism (and that's coming from a guy who hasn't felt much optimism for this franchise in quite a while), but the expectations expressed here for Zimmer and Turner are completely over the top.Mothman wrote: It's an eye-opener.
Of course, since he's always been a position coach or defensive coordinator, that record is, to some extent, due to circumstances beyond his control. His defenses have performed well in some playoff losses so the lack of postseason success doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He could end up leading the Vikes to many playoff wins as a head coach but his postseason resumé is one of the reasons I find the overwhelming level of confidence some fans are expressing in him a little surprising.
lol, to some extent?! Dalton had 3 turnovers by himself, completed only 56.9% of his passes, and a rating of 67.0. One of those picks was returned to the 3 yard line and zimmer's defense stuffed them and held them to a field goal. Next possession? Pick #2 for Dalton and what did Zimmer's D do? 3 and out, stopped on 3rd and 1, chargers punt. Offense turns it over on downs again! Dalton also fumbled earlier in the game and it was recovered by the Chargers.Mothman wrote: It's an eye-opener.
Of course, since he's always been a position coach or defensive coordinator, that record is, to some extent, due to circumstances beyond his control. His defenses have performed well in some playoff losses so the lack of postseason success doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He could end up leading the Vikes to many playoff wins as a head coach but his postseason resumé is one of the reasons I find the overwhelming level of confidence some fans are expressing in him a little surprising.
Fan-tabulous post, mondry.mondry wrote:lol, to some extent?! Dalton had 3 turnovers by himself, completed only 56.9% of his passes, and a rating of 67.0. One of those picks was returned to the 3 yard line and zimmer's defense stuffed them and held them to a field goal. Next possession? Pick #2 for Dalton and what did Zimmer's D do? 3 and out, stopped on 3rd and 1, chargers punt. Offense turns it over on downs again! Dalton also fumbled earlier in the game and it was recovered by the Chargers.
Rivers only had 128 yards passing even! But can't give them short fields via turnovers.
Zimmer only controlled 1/3rd of the team (offense, defense, special teams) and for all intents and purposes, his 1/3rd of the team is pretty much THE reason the Bengals even sniff the playoffs all those years. I for one am excited to see if that 1/3rd he was responsible for can translate to the entire team as the head coach. Plenty of guys from winning franchises like the Patriots who have butt loads of playoff wins (Josh Mcdaniels comes to mind) flame out so clearly being part of a TEAM that has playoff success isn't the deciding factor in a successful head coach either. I see very little reason to hold that against Zimmer unless you're simply looking for a reason to be negative.
As for Turner, most of his chargers teams had the unfortunate fate of not only having to get through Peyton Manning and those Indy teams but Tom Brady and his Patriots. Both ridiculously good teams year after year with incredible QB play. Turner won't be the head coach though and his offenses haven't been the reason they couldn't advance.
I think they're both in excellent positions to make a complete TEAM and compliment each other's great football minds with the Vikings. I have very little doubt (I guess that's obvious) that Zimmer's style and his vast wealth of football knowledge and ability to teach and coach won't translate to the head coaching gig. Norv we know is a top 10 offensive coordinator and that's what his job is here and I feel way better about us developing a QB with him.
