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Demi wrote:We aren't stuck with Ponder. Even Slick Rick can't defend his boy any longer. If Cassel opts out, Freeman leaves...there are a number of free agent veterans this team could sign that would start over Ponder. Including paying either Freeman or Cassel enough to bring them back. Along with the strong possibility the team takes a QB in the draft. There's no way ownership or the new coaching staff would buy it even if Spielman does try to sell it.

You honestly think that the Vikings would open training camp with none of the QBs that were on the roster at the end of last season? They'd either have to bring in two veteran free agents and a draft pick, or one veteran and some combination of draft picks and undrafted rookies. There's no way that happens.

Raptorman wrote:Pick a QB to start over Ponder if Cassel leaves.

List of 2014 FA QB's

Man. That is one ugly list of free agents. Josh McCown would be the only obvious choice. It almost (I said almost) makes you want to reconsider signing Josh Freeman for another season.

Raptorman wrote:Pick a QB to start over Ponder if Cassel leaves.

List of 2014 FA QB's

Derek Anderson CAR
Jimmy Clausen CAR
Jordan Palmer CHI
Josh McCown CHI
Trent Edwards CHI
Shaun Hill DET
Matt Flynn GB
Seneca Wallace GB
Chad Henne JAX
Pat Devlin MIA
Joe Webb MIN
Josh Freeman MIN
Luke McCown NO
Curtis Painter NYG
David Garrard NYJ
Michael Vick PHI
Charlie Whitehurst SD
Tarvaris Jackson SEA
Colt McCoy SF
Kellen Clemens STL
Dan Orlovsky TB
Rusty Smith TEN R
Rex Grossman WAS

Josh McCown, and thats ONLY if the team is that desperate to find someone to start instead of Ponder. None of these guys are what we need honestly. If we do take a shot at the FA, PLEASE RICK SPIELMAN, stay away from Michael Vick. He's washed up!

Purplemania wrote:I don't mind McCown, but I just have this feeling we're going to give him a big contract

Why? He's been largely ineffective eveywhere he's been, save for this year under "QB Whisperer" Trestman. Nobody is going to pay McCown very much. He'll likely be back in Chicago at a modest salary for a veteran backup.

I'm intrigue by Whitehurst if Cassel leaves. He's a veteran QB with good accuracy.

What intrigues you about the guy? He's the owner of a career 54.2 completion percentage on 155 pass attempts. In 2011 "Check down Charlie" was so ineffective in his second of two starts that he was pulled after only seven throws in favor of Tarvaris Jackson, who was dealing with a debilitating pectoral injury. FWIW, he knows Turner's system, though. But I can't envision him being an upgrade on Ponder at all.

So I took the list and looked up completion percentage, sorted by best. After the debacle with Rodgers being out I doubt Green Bay lets Flynn leave.

does that mean a minimum of 15 attempts?! the 0.0% caught my eye.

vikeinmontana wrote:does that mean a minimum of 15 attempts?! the 0.0% caught my eye.

No, that means he only has 15 attempts. 0.0. Not one attempt in his career. Rusty Smith has 45 attempts in 4 years.

Not one completion??

Webbfann wrote:Not one completion??

Not ONE pass attempt.

mrc44 wrote:We already have two of the best free agent qb's on our team, why would we get rid f them both to pick up a crappier free agent qb?

Pretty much sums it up.

Demi wrote:We aren't stuck with Ponder. Even Slick Rick can't defend his boy any longer. If Cassel opts out, Freeman leaves...there are a number of free agent veterans this team could sign that would start over Ponder. Including paying either Freeman or Cassel enough to bring them back. Along with the strong possibility the team takes a QB in the draft. There's no way ownership or the new coaching staff would buy it even if Spielman does try to sell it.

Ponder.

Thank you Demi. I don't always agree with you but on this one we stand together.

Raptorman wrote:Pick a QB to start over Ponder if Cassel leaves.

List of 2014 FA QB's

Derek Anderson CAR
Jimmy Clausen CAR
Jordan Palmer CHI
Josh McCown CHI
Trent Edwards CHI
Shaun Hill DET
Matt Flynn GB
Seneca Wallace GB
Chad Henne JAX
Pat Devlin MIA
Joe Webb MIN
Josh Freeman MIN
Luke McCown NO
Curtis Painter NYG
David Garrard NYJ
Michael Vick PHI
Charlie Whitehurst SD
Tarvaris Jackson SEA
Colt McCoy SF
Kellen Clemens STL
Dan Orlovsky TB
Rusty Smith TEN R
Rex Grossman WAS

ANY of them. I'm not kidding. Except T-Jack. Been there, done that. TWICE; because Ponder has been just as big a disaster!

Webbfann wrote: They'll start Webb before Ponder if they want to stay in Minnesota. They will be run out of town if they try to start Ponder. Ponder is done.

THIS!

The FAN played a "Family Feud" type game earlier this week and one of the questions was, "Who's the most hated sports figure in Minnesota?"

#1 was Ponder, and it wasn't close.

The organization is bringing in a new regime in hopes of turning things around. They can NOT be dumb enough to bring this guy back. They know how the fans feel.

Ponder needs to just go off with his gorgeous wife and the money he's stolen...sorry; made from being the worst starting QB in the NFL and go have a nice life.

It sounds to me like PDS may have spiraled out of control in Minnesota and the Vikings fan community. It's time to call in the CDC!

Raptorman wrote:So I took the list and looked up completion percentage, sorted by best. After the debacle with Rodgers being out I doubt Green Bay lets Flynn leave.

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Jordan Palmer	     66.7	15 attempts
Shaun Hill	        61.9	
Matt Flynn	        61.9	
David Garrard	     61.6	
Trent Edwards	     60.6	
Tarvaris Jackson	  59.6	
Chad Henne	        59.5	
Josh McCown	       59.4	
Seneca Wallace	    59.4	
Dan Orlovsky	      58.5	
Colt McCoy	        58.3	
Luke McCown	       58.0	
Joe Webb  	        57.9	
Josh Freeman	      57.6	
Michael Vick	      56.2	
Rex Grossman	      55.2	
Kellen Clemens	    54.5	
Charlie Whitehurst	54.2	
Derek Anderson	    52.8	
Jimmy Clausen	     52.5	
Curtis Painter	    51.6	
Rusty Smith	       51.1	
Pat Devlin	         0.0	

And as a reference point. Ponders completion percentage, 60.2. However, it has gone up every year. And before you jump on me, I am NOT saying Ponder is the guy. Just pointing out the facts. The list does not give one hope on signing a "good" FA QB. There are just not that many out there.

Raptorman wrote:Ponder is the guy.

Ha! there it is! I quoted it directly from your post. You're saying Ponder is the guy! You posted those exact words! Gotcha!