Stadium thread

[vikeinmontana]

I get lost in all of that, lol... what does the newest article mean?

i was thinking the same thing. i need it dumbed down for me...

[mondry]

I'm no expert but it sounds to me like nothing can be agreed upon at this moment and the bill has 1 win and 1 loss so far.

and so far every way they've come up with paying for the stadium has been rejected.

and tim pawlenty is not in favor of the stadium and is more concerned with his own problems that he got himself into.

Maybe someone else can do a better job explaining it heh.

[dead_poet]

Here's Seifert's take on the situation:

Let's try to clear up some confusion on Minnesota's stadium proposal. The upshot: It is technically still alive but in serious danger of imminent demise.

Here's a timeline of what's happened in the past 24 hours:

* A House committee approved a version of the bill late Tuesday night, but only after gutting it of most financing mechanisms.
* A second House committee scuttled the revised bill Wednesday morning, however. In what was reportedly a contentious hearing, one state legislator demanded the Vikings pay 75 percent of the $791 bill instead of the 30 percent they have agreed to. This action essentially killed the House version of the bill; it is technically possible for it to be revived in a different form.
* A Senate committee approved the bill Wednesday afternoon, but replaced the proposed financing options with personal seat licenses. This Star Tribune report casts heavy skepticism on whether personal seat licenses alone could account for the public portion of a financing plan.


What next? We'll see if any House legislators attempt to revive its version of the bill, and also whether the personal seat license issue has any momentum in the Senate. But one major stadium supporter told the Star Tribune that the chances of enacting a stadium bill this year is now less than five percent.

I'll save any post mortems for the appropriate time. But for now, it sure seems likely that another year will tick off the Vikings' lease at the Metrodome before the next meaningful dialogue on this issue takes place.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

[glg]

But for now, it sure seems likely that another year will tick off the Vikings' lease at the Metrodome before the next meaningful dialogue on this issue takes place.

Always tough to get something like this done in an election year. Guh.

[mondry]

Personal seat licensing means what exactly, btw...

[Kansas Viking]

Personal seat licensing means what exactly, btw...

When I was at the Vikes game in Houston a few years back, they had used PSL's to help finance their stadium. Basically you are going to pay several thousand dollars for the right to buy season tickets. You purchase the PSL once, then you buy your season tickets every year. Generally you can sell the PSL to someone else if you don't want season tickets anymore.

[dead_poet]

When I was at the Vikes game in Houston a few years back, they had used PSL's to help finance their stadium. Basically you are going to pay several thousand dollars for the right to buy season tickets. You purchase the PSL once, then you buy your season tickets every year. Generally you can sell the PSL to someone else if you don't want season tickets anymore.

That's my understanding as well. There's some question over just how much $$ that could actually raise, however.

"I think there was a strong desire on the part of the committee to do something to keep the Vikings in Minnesota," said Sen. Tom Bakk, DFL-Cook, chief Senate sponsor of the stadium bill.

"I'm pretty pleased with the vote coming out of committee. I think the question is the permanent seat-licensing provision — how much money can it raise? I think that's what we need to find out."

Vikings officials were cautious about the plan. They pointed out that North Carolina football fans bought licenses in the hope of bringing NFL football to the state, not for a team that was already there. And they said Minnesota Twins officials found only a limited market for them, raising $5 million.

"That's a far cry from what it takes to fund a facility or to build a facility," Vikings Vice President Lester Bagley said.

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_15027147

[Lash Man]

OK i'll get flamed for this I'm guessing, but WHY CAN"T THE NEW STADIUM BE A OUTDOOR STADIUM WITHOUT A ROOF? Just because it's cold in Minny ? Well last time I checked it's cold in CHI, PIT,CLEV,NE and many other cities in the midwest and east coast and they seem to manage it and the fans survive. I keep hearing this lame excuse that it would only be used 10 games a year WHY? the other cities use their stadiums more than the ten NFL games . I went to a game in CLEV, opening day last year and thought this is a very cool stadium , very functional, not fancy just a place to have good old fashioned outdoor football on grass ,like it's supposed to be. The Vikes did pretty damn good for alot of years playing in a old outdated stadium outdoors and the fans didnt seem to mind then why all the sudden everyone say there is no way we could have an outdoor stadium in Minny . Well I say there is no reason not to build an outdoor stadium the homefeld advantage is HUGE and as it seems to be the most important factor it is CHEAPER probably at least 100,000 million dollars worth. So ok now flame away!

[purple guy]

OK i'll get flamed for this I'm guessing, but WHY CAN"T THE NEW STADIUM BE A OUTDOOR STADIUM WITHOUT A ROOF? Just because it's cold in Minny ? Well last time I checked it's cold in CHI, PIT,CLEV,NE and many other cities in the midwest and east coast and they seem to manage it and the fans survive. I keep hearing this lame excuse that it would only be used 10 games a year WHY? the other cities use their stadiums more than the ten NFL games . I went to a game in CLEV, opening day last year and thought this is a very cool stadium , very functional, not fancy just a place to have good old fashioned outdoor football on grass ,like it's supposed to be. The Vikes did pretty #### good for alot of years playing in a old outdated stadium outdoors and the fans didnt seem to mind then why all the sudden everyone say there is no way we could have an outdoor stadium in Minny . Well I say there is no reason not to build an outdoor stadium the homefeld advantage is HUGE and as it seems to be the most important factor it is CHEAPER probably at least 100,000 million dollars worth. So ok now flame away!

Because if the State is going to help pay for it, they want it available to host more than just Vikings football, to allow it to have an event potentially 365 days a year, in Minnesota, that requires a roof. That part makes sense to me. I would prefer a roof, I like going to games, but I hate freezing my arse off doing it!

[Lash Man]

Because if the State is going to help pay for it, they want it available to host more than just Vikings football, to allow it to have an event potentially 365 days a year, in Minnesota, that requires a roof. That part makes sense to me. I would prefer a roof, I like going to games, but I hate freezing my arse off doing it!

I understand but dont u think the homefield advantage is worth the cold?
just asking , everyone has their own opinions I know.

[vikeinmontana]

i don't think you'll get flamed. at least i hope not. however, i just don't see them building a stadium without a roof. sure, guys like you and me would love to see football played outside like it was meant to be. i'd go a step farther and probabaly wear shorts no matter what the temp 'cause i don't wear anything but shorts if i can help it. but times are a changing my friend. people today are spoiled. everything is easier than it was 10, 20, and 30+ years ago. games aren't just games anymore. they are events. they're a place where fathers can still take their sons, however they are also places where ceo's can rub elbows with other ceo's and important people. everything now is about comfort and class. and frankly i am fine with that. but the bottom line is a city like minneapolis has more to offer people, and a stadium with a roof would help that. things like political conventions, expos, final fours, concerts, and even superbowls are all things that would make money and could be done 100% of the time if the stadium has a roof. i don't know about you, but i wouldn't be comfortable relying on the weather to be able to host these events that make a lot of money. the football fan in me would love playing outside. the practical side of me that understands that we need to maximize the stadiums potential, and that includes catering to the women, children, elders, as well as the ability to host non-football events.

[PurpleMustReign]

Because if the State is going to help pay for it, they want it available to host more than just Vikings football, to allow it to have an event potentially 365 days a year, in Minnesota, that requires a roof. That part makes sense to me. I would prefer a roof, I like going to games, but I hate freezing my arse off doing it!

Why can't they just the Dome for the stuff other than football?

[glg]

OK i'll get flamed for this I'm guessing, but WHY CAN"T THE NEW STADIUM BE A OUTDOOR STADIUM WITHOUT A ROOF? Just because it's cold in Minny ? Well last time I checked it's cold in CHI, PIT,CLEV,NE and many other cities in the midwest and east coast and they seem to manage it and the fans survive.

Minneapolis is the northern-most (discounting Seattle which has an ocean driven climate) and significantly coldest NFL city. In Chicago, our coldest is usually single digits, we don't see the below zero temps that MN gets. It really is a lot colder in MN then all those other places (and GB too).

Why can't they just the Dome for the stuff other than football?

New stadium likely goes on the Dome's site...

[PurpleMustReign]

Minneapolis is the northern-most (discounting Seattle which has an ocean driven climate) and significantly coldest NFL city. In Chicago, our coldest is usually single digits, we don't see the below zero temps that MN gets. It really is a lot colder in MN then all those other places (and GB too).
New stadium likely goes on the Dome's site...

Oh, duh. Well then just pick up the Dome and move it over a few acres...

[mondry]

Yeah, it has to have a roof, unless it literally saved like 35% of the budget some how. If it could do that then I think it'd be fine using it for late spring, summer, and early fall for like what, 5 months and then football hehe.