Thoughts

[Pondering Her Percy]

Our LBs are taking a lot of heat for a poor game, as they should, but our Dline was just as bad. Floyd and Joseph especially.

I thought Joseph made a few decent plays. Floyd was pretty invisible. I thought Griffen looked awful vs. the run. Missed a lot of tackles and anytime Greenway was on that side, they had stretch plays go for big yardage.

[Purple bruise]

Regarding thoughts: I have arrived at the conclusion that I am ready to trade AD for a solid o-lineman and a draft pick. No, not because of last night's game because I still believe AD will rush for 1000 plus yards. But now is the time to make a deal. This team is young and building (probably 2 years away from competing for a title). Trade him now, free up some salary space and continue building

[PurpleKoolaid]

I thought Joseph made a few decent plays. Floyd was pretty invisible. I thought Griffen looked awful vs. the run. Missed a lot of tackles and anytime Greenway was on that side, they had stretch plays go for big yardage.

Griffen looked bad, slipped, not being able to regain balance. Could the field have given the vikes problems? There were ALWAYS people out of place, struggling to get back to the play. Griffen looked foolish on a few. To me, it looked liek Joseph just stood still for most of the plays. Didnt even run after the runner if he was close. How old is the guy?

[mondry]

I think the refs were really bad in this game and a good portion of that went against us. The PI on wallace in the endzone took 7 points off the board and Walsh missing a field goal took another 3 and the game probably plays out a bit differently if we're up by 10.

The main problem I see in our run defense is at the LB's. The two big things that stood out to me is Greenway just not able to make a play on the stretch runs to his side, hyde often just out ran him for 10 yards instead of only getting 3 or 4. The second thing being Hodges getting washed away with the direction of the run only for Hyde to make a cut back into the vacated middle, he needs to stay more disciplined on those.

On offense it's hard to say, I get the idea of trying to pass when you're getting 8 in the box with 3 LB's on the field, if you just go by that and trying to exploit it then I can't really argue with the game plan. At the same time though, you have to get AD more than 10 carries, but this kind of goes back to my earlier point about the LB's. Bowman was spying peterson every play and he stayed true to his assignment, every where AD went he was there to make the play, if it was a pass he would blitz and Peterson would have to pick him up (which he did fairly decently)

All in all, it was a crappy game but I don't think it's as bad as most people on here are making it out to be. Hyde is a special talent and I think they will give lots of teams fits. Let's not forget that we held them to i think 10 points before they got completely gassed.

The other thing of note is that the 49ers have a new coach and a lot of new turn over, that makes them an "unknown" and it's hard to play against that. Unfortunately we were the ones to go in blind but now there is film on them.

[DK Sweets]

His percentage is meaningless in the context of the game though. He stunk. That's what means something. And you realize only two of those qbs you listed won, right? I just don't see anything bright in having a better rating than 6 losing qbs. Teddy has always had a high completion percentage on high percentage passes. Even I have a high percentage on those. For some reason this had people raving about him last year.

No.

[Raptorman]

His percentage is meaningless in the context of the game though. He stunk. That's what means something. And you realize only two of those qbs you listed won, right? I just don't see anything bright in having a better rating than 6 losing qbs. Teddy has always had a high completion percentage on high percentage passes. Even I have a high percentage on those. For some reason this had people raving about him last year.

Just what is a "high percentage pass"? Less than 10 yards downfield? A RB in the Flat behind the LOS? So define "high completion pass" for me.

Has anyone here actually looked a what "high completion passes" means? Seriously, All the top QB's, And I mean all, throw close to 70% of their passes before 10 yards downfield. Rodgers is like 67%, Brees, 69% Brady 69% if I remember my numbers correct. Bridgewater last year was at 71%.

My point being was that even though he was running for his life half the game he still was able to complete the passes. I suppose if we had Luck and his 58% pass completion percentage everyone would be happy. But let's not count the passes that hit the Receivers in the hands and they dropped them. If I remember right, I saw a few of those in the game.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Griffen looked bad, slipped, not being able to regain balance. Could the field have given the vikes problems? There were ALWAYS people out of place, struggling to get back to the play. Griffen looked foolish on a few. To me, it looked liek Joseph just stood still for most of the plays. Didnt even run after the runner if he was close. How old is the guy?

He's still only 26

[Mothman]

Just what is a "high percentage pass"? Less than 10 yards downfield? A RB in the Flat behind the LOS? So define "high completion pass" for me.

Has anyone here actually looked a what "high completion passes" means?

Of course. A high percentage pass is exactly what that designation implies: a pass with a high percentage chance of completion. Short, simple routes (hooks, swing passes, screens, check downs, etc.) are high percentage passing plays, typically easy to read and complete.

My point being was that even though he was running for his life half the game he still was able to complete the passes. I suppose if we had Luck and his 58% pass completion percentage everyone would be happy. But let's not count the passes that hit the Receivers in the hands and they dropped them. If I remember right, I saw a few of those in the game.

What would probably make people happy would be sustained drives and point production (not that those things are entirely TB's responsibility). We could count every drop in Monday's game and that would still qualify as a pretty bad performance by both Bridgewater and the Vikes. He just didn't play well and neither did the majority of his teammates. Fortunately, it was just one game. It's not career or even season-defining. He's had, and will have, better games but a good completion percentage in a performance like that is like putting lipstick on a pig. The overall performance was still ugly and I think that was Purple Martin's point.

[Purple Martin]

Lipstick on a pig. I couldn't have said it better myself. I might just make that my signature file. That was indeed Purple Martin's point.

He's had, and will have, better games but a good completion percentage in a performance like that is like putting lipstick on a pig. The overall performance was still ugly and I think that was Purple Martin's point.

[Raptorman]

In the future I will remember not to bring up any positive aspects of any players performance when the team plays like crap.

Although, if he had a 54% completion percentage I am sure it would be point of contention.

[Mothman]

In the future I will remember not to bring up any positive aspects of any players performance when the team plays like crap.

Although, if he had a 54% completion percentage I am sure it would be point of contention.

It might be... although if he had a 54% completion percentage but also threw 3 TDs in a decisive win, it might not be a point of contention at all. That's the thing about completion percentages... they don't win or lose games. They just reflect one small aspect of a QB's performance within a larger context.

You pointed out a positive stat. There's nothing wrong with that. Purple Martin made a legitimate point about that stat and there's nothing wrong with that either.

[mosscarter]

did anyone actually watch the game? if you think teddy was the problem you need to wake up. when you are running for your life most of the night (5 sacks) what do you expect? brady and manning, and even rodgers are great because they NEVER get hit. rodgers did earlier in his career, but their line is great now. our line is so bad they can't even open up holes for ap. and as far as our defense goes, we can't even make a simple tackle.

[Crax]

did anyone actually watch the game? if you think teddy was the problem you need to wake up.

Wasn't the only problem, but Zimmer himself said Teddy was a big part of the problem and that it was the worst he's ever seen teddy play.

[VikingLord]

did anyone actually watch the game? if you think teddy was the problem you need to wake up. when you are running for your life most of the night (5 sacks) what do you expect? brady and manning, and even rodgers are great because they NEVER get hit. rodgers did earlier in his career, but their line is great now. our line is so bad they can't even open up holes for ap. and as far as our defense goes, we can't even make a simple tackle.

Bridgewater didn't do anything to change the overall situation, but I don't think he stunk it up either. He was very average and I think given the expectations people have for him based on how he finished last year and what people thought the state of the 49er defense heading into the game was, most expected him to shine. Sometimes a pedestrian outing is considered a poor performance for some players. Bridgewater is as much a victim of expectations here as he is his performance on the field IMHO.

I think Bridgewater will bounce back and settle down. I think Zimmer was spot on that Teddy missed and/or failed to pull the trigger on throws he would normally make. It wasn't all related to pass protection or a failure to run the ball, either. He did do many good things as well and was robbed on the PI non-call in the endzone that was a beauty and should have been a TD. I'm not worried about Bridgewater at all. On the balance he'll continue to improve and will be a bright spot on offense more times than not.

[PurpleKoolaid]

I like Zimmer, but his was overly harsh on Teddy. Greenway played like, well, pooh, and his name wasnt mentioned once. Hodges was lost at least on half the plays. The Oline looked more like a couple guys standing around eating donuts then an NFL Oline. Wlash and Locke were god awful. But Zimmer ripped Teddy for most of the time. Was there anyone else he ripped on even half as much? I guess thats his way of installing confidence. Maybe next year give him a couple Olimen worth a crap.