Prediction for next season starting QB will be ......

[chicagopurple]

all this speculation is so depressing. Any outsider would see it as the pitiful hopes of bottom feeders. Ponder, Sanchez, Freeman, etc.....its all the cast off garbage that contenders wouldnt even look at.

[Mothman]

If that were my "conclusion", then I'd be saying Ponder should be our 2014 starter. "Lack of teaching" reflects my feelings on the matter, not my conclusion. Again, why the forced black and white?

I wasn't trying to force anything to black and white. A conclusion is a decision, judgment or opinion reached by reasoning so "It reflects how poor of a job I think the prior coaching staff did teaching" sure sounded like a conclusion to me, especially in light of your previous comments about what the new coaching staff can "Absofreakinglutely" do to help Ponder improve his ability to go through his progressions and read a defense.

If you'd prefer a conclusion and a guess or "your feelings on the matter", that's fine with me and I can respect that. I didn't mean to touch a nerve...

[psjordan]

I wasn't trying to force anything to black and white. A conclusion is a decision, judgment or opinion reached by reasoning so "It reflects how poor of a job I think the prior coaching staff did teaching" sure sounded like a conclusion to me, especially in light of your previous comments about what the new coaching staff can "Absofreakinglutely" do to help Ponder improve his ability to go through his progressions and read a defense.

If you'd prefer a conclusion and a guess or "your feelings on the matter", that's fine with me and I can respect that. I didn't mean to touch a nerve...

No nerves were harmed in the making of this post, but I'm fairly disgruntled with this forum's penchant for hanging on two words out of a 77 word post, and then claiming those two words as the substance of the matter. Thought you were not one of the perps.

[Mothman]

No nerves were harmed in the making of this post, but I'm fairly disgruntled with this forum's penchant for hanging on two words out of a 77 word post, and then claiming those two words as the substance of the matter. Thought you were not one of the perps.

Oh, for Pete's sake... I made no such claim.

You and I have been having a sporadic-but-ongoing discussion about coaching and it's impact on player performance for weeks now. I saw my question as an extension of that discussion. It wasn't an attempt to nit-pick or paint you into some "black and white" corner. I just wanted to know how you reached the conclusion/formed the opinion/arrived at your feelings/guessed that the prior coaching staff did a poor job of teaching. It's not the first time you've expressed that opinion and I wanted to know more about how you reached it.

I understood the overall substance of your post but since I had already stated just a little earlier in this thread that I was fine with the idea of Ponder remaining on the team next year and that it's "possible that a new QB coach and an experienced OC like Turner could help him improve", and since you responded directly to that post by stating you "feel so strongly about the "art" of teaching and coaching that it would not bother me in the least for the staff to give it a go with Ponder. There is certainly not much to lose in giving him an offseason and a chance", I thought we had pretty much covered that aspect of the discussion.

[Raptorman]

Why are people alright with a qb tht has at best 6 wins in the tank? The guy is not going to take this team anywhere! Do some fans just want to constantly have their Sundays ruined? I would like to wear my jersey out and around after the game wins, and that's not going to happen with Poser at qb.

How is 3 seasons not enough time!?!?? I just don't get it.

Edit: Norv will not spend his time with ponder when there are two other qb's already on the roster that are better.

If Cassell opts out, Ponder will be the only QB on the roster. Unless they sign/draft someone.

[majorm]

Why are people alright with a qb tht has at best 6 wins in the tank? The guy is not going to take this team anywhere! Do some fans just want to constantly have their Sundays ruined? I would like to wear my jersey out and around after the game wins, and that's not going to happen with Poser at qb.

How is 3 seasons not enough time!?!?? I just don't get it.

Edit: Norv will not spend his time with ponder when there are two other qb's already on the roster that are better.

Exactly!

I just don't get it. I don't know how anybody could have watched Ponder the past three seasons and want him back on the team next season.

He's a complete joke. I can't believe we've gone through this exact same ridiculous QB fiasco twice in such a short time period. Reach for a guy, shove him out there and then LEAVE him out there just trying to prove it wasn't a wasted pick.

I so hope we're not headed for round three over the next few seasons because once again, the Vikings are in such desperate need of a QB.

[Eli]

There's absolutely no way to predict with any kind of certainty who it will be. The QB situation in Minnesota at the current time is more uncertain than it has ever been. It could be a rookie draft pick, it could be some veteran that they sign, it could be Matt Cassel, or (God help us) it could even be Christian Ponder. I'm not sure that I could even speculate on which is most likely.

Cassel could opt out, which would virtually force them to keep Ponder for another season.

Could be a veteran free agent. If only one of either Cassel or Ponder comes back next year, and an unknown rookie is the only other QB, they might feel that they need a second veteran on the roster, and he may be the best bet.

They could take a QB in the top 10 and feel like he's the best option as a starter. Or if they wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to take a QB, they may feel that the kid has to watch for a while.

Or Norv Turner could be just as in inexplicably in love with Josh Freeman as Rick Spielman appeared to be.

Whatever happens, there's one thing I'm fairly sure about: Norv Turner will not be wishy-washy about who starts. And if that guy fails to produce, he will be replaced by the next guy in line.

[PurpleKoolaid]

There's absolutely no way to predict with any kind of certainty who it will be. The QB situation in Minnesota at the current time is more uncertain than it has ever been. It could be a rookie draft pick, it could be some veteran that they sign, it could be Matt Cassel, or (God help us) it could even be Christian Ponder. I'm not sure that I could even speculate on which is most likely.

Cassel could opt out, which would virtually force them to keep Ponder for another season.

Could be a veteran free agent. If only one of either Cassel or Ponder comes back next year, and an unknown rookie is the only other QB, they might feel that they need a second veteran on the roster, and he may be the best bet.

They could take a QB in the top 10 and feel like he's the best option as a starter. Or if they wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to take a QB, they may feel that the kid has to watch for a while.

Or Norv Turner could be just as in inexplicably in love with Josh Freeman as Rick Spielman appeared to be.

Whatever happens, there's one thing I'm fairly sure about: Norv Turner will not be wishy-washy about who starts. And if that guy fails to produce, he will be replaced by the next guy in line.

This is kind of a depressing post. I hadn't really though of Ponder starting again. So many think he wont even be on the team. I think he will be on the team, but not starting, and certainly not getting the first string snaps. But if Cassel signs somewhere else, and we don't get another FA, and Freeman leaves, Ponder will get the nod. And that will make me puke. I hope this isn't what Zimmer and Spielman have in mind, or what injuries make happen.

[Webbfann]

Joe Webb will start long before Ponder starts. The idiots have left the building. Ponder is done. Even more done than Webb. Now that's done.

[Eli]

If Cassel opts to go elsewhere and the Vikings don't take a QB in the first round, they'll either be starting some longshot rookie, an as yet unknown veteran free agent, or Ponder.

Next year could be an even rougher season for the Vikings at the the QB position than 2013 was, if you can imagine that.

[King James]

This is kind of a depressing post. I hadn't really though of Ponder starting again. So many think he wont even be on the team. I think he will be on the team, but not starting, and certainly not getting the first string snaps. But if Cassel signs somewhere else, and we don't get another FA, and Freeman leaves, Ponder will get the nod. And that will make me puke. I hope this isn't what Zimmer and Spielman have in mind, or what injuries make happen.

Now you're seeing the picture that I'm seeing. Not that I'm wishing it to happen but our QB situation is sticky. We need a QB bad but not in a good spot to take one. Some people think that by some miracle Manziel or Bridgewater will fall to #8. The only way we will get one of those 2 is to trade up to the Rams. If that doesn't happen and both Cassel and Freeman leave, we are stuck with Ponder again. I really don't wanna take a chance on Bortles or Carr because that's like replacing trash with trash. I'd stick with Ponder before I reach on another QB.

[Demi]

We aren't stuck with Ponder. Even Slick Rick can't defend his boy any longer. If Cassel opts out, Freeman leaves...there are a number of free agent veterans this team could sign that would start over Ponder. Including paying either Freeman or Cassel enough to bring them back. Along with the strong possibility the team takes a QB in the draft. There's no way ownership or the new coaching staff would buy it even if Spielman does try to sell it.

Ponder.

[Webbfann]

If Cassel opts to go elsewhere and the Vikings don't take a QB in the first round, they'll either be starting some longshot rookie, an as yet unknown veteran free agent, or Ponder.

Next year could be an even rougher season for the Vikings at the the QB position than 2013 was, if you can imagine that.

They'll start Webb before Ponder if they want to stay in Minnesota. They will be run out of town if they try to start Ponder. Ponder is done.

[Raptorman]

Pick a QB to start over Ponder if Cassel leaves.

List of 2014 FA QB's

Derek Anderson CAR
Jimmy Clausen CAR
Jordan Palmer CHI
Josh McCown CHI
Trent Edwards CHI
Shaun Hill DET
Matt Flynn GB
Seneca Wallace GB
Chad Henne JAX
Pat Devlin MIA
Joe Webb MIN
Josh Freeman MIN
Luke McCown NO
Curtis Painter NYG
David Garrard NYJ
Michael Vick PHI
Charlie Whitehurst SD
Tarvaris Jackson SEA
Colt McCoy SF
Kellen Clemens STL
Dan Orlovsky TB
Rusty Smith TEN R
Rex Grossman WAS

[Husker Vike]

I don't think any team needs a QB more than the Vikings, does any team have a more inept roster of QBs than the Vikings?