Mothman wrote:
That's definitely cause for concern but It's how the receivers they have signed when next season begins perform that will really matter. Those of us who were looking for big change on the Vikings WR depth chart might just get it. I say "might" because it's still possible that players like Simpson, Jenkins and Burton could be WRs for the Vikes again next year. It will be very interesting to see how Spielman goes about addressing this position group.
I still think Spielman is going to go all out to build up the WR corps. There simply is no way that he and Frazier can be happy with the present group of WRs they have left.
OTOH, that doesn't mean that I'm happy with the trade. I'm not. Not one bit. I'll just leave it at that for now. But I sure am interested in seeing what the Vikings are going to do about the big offensive gap they just created.
I'm delighted with the outcome of it. If RS has a draft anywhere near as successful as last year it will help us improve on 2012 even without PH.
He wanted out. Various reports suggest he hasn't been acting as a good team player. We won games at the end of the season without him. He would walk next year for nothing. Injured too often. I liked his ability, I didn't like his personality.
The guy just isn't the right fit for what Frazier is developing.
It is crucial to bring in at least one decent WR in free agency now. I'm not saying Cruz or Wallace(although that would be amazing), but someone like Amendola, Hartline, Avery. None of these really excite me but there is a chance they can fill numbers and offer at least something. Something is better than what we have beneath Wright.
The two WRs we take in the first four rounds will have to produce this year to get us anywhere near the postseason. Unless Wright continues improving as then we may need just one good pick plus an FA acquisition.
This is from AD: The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!
S197 wrote:Cruz is at least a proven commodity. Still, we know at least one team values Harvin much higher than Cruz. If not Seattle sends a 1st to the Giants and keeps their 3rd 2014 and 7th.
I'm having a hard time understanding how Seattle could possibly go for Harvin over Cruz. Cruz has topped 1000 yards twice two years in a row, Harvin still hasn't done it once in four chances. Cruz has caught 9 TDs both years, the most TD catches Harvin ever had in a season was 6. Plus the injury and attitude concerns with Percy, and yet Seattle still spends more draft picks to get him instead of Cruz? Is it because of his kick return prowess? His offensive versatility? Being two years younger? If really all it takes to get Cruz is a 1st rounder and signing him to a new deal then something else is at play here. Supposedly Cruz wants to be paid like a #1 WR, which Harvin also allegedly wanted. It will be very interesting to see the terms of his deal with Seattle when it's announced soon. Whatever the number is, one would assume that it's less than what Cruz is demanding (unless of course Seattle was completely not interested in Cruz, which is hard to believe).
S197 wrote:I think the overall success of this trade will depend not only on this position but what the Vikings do at other spots as well. Will guys like Loadholt and Felton get locked up or will they hit the market? How will the Vikings address the backup QB position? Etc. I also hope Spielman sits on those two picks in the 1st. This draft is deep at WR, I see no need to trade up.
If you view the whole thing through the media lens then the trade is already a partial success because Spielman got way more in return for Harvin than any media outlet said he would get weeks ago. But of course all those reports of Percy only netting a 2nd or 3rd rounder in a trade were probably pure BS floated out there in an attempt to push his value down. Let's see what he does with the extra picks but for now I'm feeling good about Spielman as GM. I think he handled this whole situation pretty well.
chicagopurple wrote:well, I am TRYING not to panic but as I see it we now have a very questionable inconsistent QB and NOT ONE nfl PRO WR....wtf!?!?
If you thought AP was forced to be superman LAST year.....what the hell do we expect of him this year??
Draft 2 GREAT WRs?? Its probably the slowest position to develop short of QB.
DAMN.......and all we got was a LATE 1st round Pick.....what a crappy deal......
Where did you get your information that the Vikings only got a later round pick They got the 24th pick, a 7th round pick plus next year's third round pick after many of the experts thought that they would only get a 3rd round pick for him. Get it through your head Harvin did not want to play for the Vikings. He left town after his injury and never returned. The sky is not falling and the Vikings got into the play-offs with very sub-par receivers after Harvin went down. The receiving corp will be greatly improved through the draft and or by picking up a very good veteran.
Where did you get the idea that wr's is a slow position to transition from It is and has been probably the easiest of all positions to come in and start or greatly contribute. So slow your roll things are going to be just peachy
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HornedMessiah wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding how Seattle could possibly go for Harvin over Cruz. Cruz has topped 1000 yards twice two years in a row, Harvin still hasn't done it once in four chances. Cruz has caught 9 TDs both years, the most TD catches Harvin ever had in a season was 6. Plus the injury and attitude concerns with Percy, and yet Seattle still spends more draft picks to get him instead of Cruz? Is it because of his kick return prowess? His offensive versatility? Being two years younger? If really all it takes to get Cruz is a 1st rounder and signing him to a new deal then something else is at play here. Supposedly Cruz wants to be paid like a #1 WR, which Harvin also allegedly wanted. It will be very interesting to see the terms of his deal with Seattle when it's announced soon. Whatever the number is, one would assume that it's less than what Cruz is demanding (unless of course Seattle was completely not interested in Cruz, which is hard to believe).
Only Seattle knows the answer to your questions but I think by them giving up the picks they did, there was clearly a strong market for Harvin despite what the talking heads said. Cruz has performed better statistically but he also has Eli Manning throwing him the football and a better support cast of receivers to take the heat off of him. He didn't perform as well when Nicks went down.
Spielman now has the number of picks he said he wanted all along. He also has the worst receiving corps in the NFL. I have a feeling Jennings will be a Viking shortly, I find it hard to believe the Vikings would ship Harvin without a pretty strong inkling that they can sign someone. I don't think that someone is Wallace, that's too big a splash and not Spielman's style. We'll find out soon enough.
Seattle probably went Harvin over Cruz due to familiarity among the coaches. For one, Pete recruited Percy out of high school to come to USC, so he got to know Percy a bit. Then the obvious is that the O-Coordinator in Seattle is Darrell Bevell who was in Minnesota for Percy's rookie year. Plus...It's really hard not to fall in love with his versatility, athleticism, and toughness.
“I wouldn’t say it bothered me. Because I don’t know what all what went on. And I couldn’t say for sure what the relationship was like between him and the coaching staff and management. We just don’t know what that situation was about. I don’t know what his reason was for taking off. I just know that he was gone. And that’s the way it was left. Nobody every just came out and explained it to us, like, ‘Hey, he left for A, B, C and D.’ So I don’t know what that relationship turned into. Was there something talked about? Was there a big problem? Or did he just leave? None of us really knew. I’m pretty sure it was addressed and we never got a clear answer on that. At all.”
Many on KV defended Harvin's behavior when he deserted his teammates in December,and didn't show up to support them. Harvin is a selfish ####.
HornedMessiah wrote:
I'm having a hard time understanding how Seattle could possibly go for Harvin over Cruz. Cruz has topped 1000 yards twice two years in a row, Harvin still hasn't done it once in four chances. Cruz has caught 9 TDs both years, the most TD catches Harvin ever had in a season was 6. Plus the injury and attitude concerns with Percy, and yet Seattle still spends more draft picks to get him instead of Cruz? Is it because of his kick return prowess? His offensive versatility? Being two years younger? If really all it takes to get Cruz is a 1st rounder and signing him to a new deal then something else is at play here.
The Giants option to match any offer made to Cruz and keep him on their team might be the x factor you're looking for here. It's also possible that the Seahawks just saw Harvin as the better choice for them.
PacificNorseWest wrote:Seattle probably went Harvin over Cruz due to familiarity among the coaches. For one, Pete recruited Percy out of high school to come to USC, so he got to know Percy a bit. Then the obvious is that the O-Coordinator in Seattle is Darrell Bevell who was in Minnesota for Percy's rookie year. Plus...It's really hard not to fall in love with his versatility, athleticism, and toughness.
This isn't 'sour grapes' because of the trade - But toughness? Yes, he plays like a 240 pound FB. The problem is: He's got the durability of a 150 pound WR. The rest of your post I agree with though...
I've told people a million times not to exaggerate!
Last season was the only year he missed more than two games with the Vikings. He has played through a lot of injuries. He may get hurt often, but he does what he can to stay on the field. I definitely think he's a tough football player. *shrugs*
mefford76 wrote:not sure if this has been covered in another area, but could the vikings even afford cruz? he's gonna want 10 mil a season at least...
I think it's certainly a possibility, NFL.com have reported that we're willing to pay Wallace in excess of $13 million. I know who I'd prefer. Charismatic, versatile and reliable, a proven winner, Cruz would be a huge asset to build around.
ViciousBritishVike wrote:
I think it's certainly a possibility, NFL.com have reported that we're willing to pay Wallace in excess of $13 million. I know who I'd prefer. Charismatic, versatile and reliable, a proven winner, Cruz would be a huge asset to build around.
There's no question we could pay him without Harvin. Getting Cruz would basically be like trading Harvin for Cruz straight up.
Viva la Vikings wrote:
AP just being a class act. I bet he was tired of Percy's shenanigans too.
Uh huh, I see. Well, I'm sure you know what's in AD's heart and mind better than he does.
Looks like Adrian Peterson isn't the only Vikings player unhappy about Harvin leaving.
Add defensive tackle Kevin Williams, the second longest-tenured player on the team, to the list of Vikings players not happy that Percy Harvin was traded to the Seattle Seahawks on Monday, March 11.
Purple bruise wrote:
Where did you get your information that the Vikings only got a later round pick They got the 24th pick, a 7th round pick plus next year's third round pick after many of the experts thought that they would only get a 3rd round pick for him. Get it through your head Harvin did not want to play for the Vikings.
yikes. before the sarcasm and eye rolls you might want to re-read his post. late FIRST ROUND pick. 24th pick has got to be considered a late first round pick right?
They got the 24th pick, a 7th round pick plus next year's third round pick after many of the experts thought that they would only get a 3rd round pick for him. Get it through your head Harvin did not want to play for the Vikings. He left town after his injury and never returned. The sky is not falling and the Vikings got into the play-offs with very sub-par receivers after Harvin went down. The receiving corp will be greatly improved through the draft and or by picking up a very good veteran. 
It is and has been probably the easiest of all positions to come in and start or greatly contribute. So slow your roll things are going to be just peachy 
This isn't 'sour grapes' because of the trade - But toughness? Yes, he plays like a 240 pound FB. The problem is: He's got the durability of a 150 pound WR. The rest of your post I agree with though...
