Fire everyone and start all over please

[RandyMoss84]

I’m guessing if Zim is fired Spielman is too but I think it’s stupid to fire Spielman.

Spielman has brought in the talent. It’s zims job to coach them.

Spielman's brought mediocrity and irrelevance.

A GM's job is to build a champion, not to simply have some good drafts. Spielman has failed again and again (and again) to solve the team's QB issues, OL issues, etc. After decades in the NFL he still doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the guard position, depsite the fact that it's a glaring problem on his own damn roster every year! He's the Vikes biggest problem and it's not even close.

He clearly doesn't know how to build a champion. That's been obvious for a long time. Sticking with him is simply asking for more of the same futility we've seen from this team for the past 13+ years. He's had ample opportunity to prove he can build a Super Bowl team. It's time to move on.

Well said! I agree!

[makila]

I don't put it all on the GM. They hire people that are supposed to get the most out of players. He isn't a talent scouting genius. That's what the HCs and scouts are for.

Whoever the O line coach is needs to be gone yesterday.

At this point there is enough pattern you need to let go the person hiring those people.

[RandyMoss84]

I don't put it all on the GM. They hire people that are supposed to get the most out of players. He isn't a talent scouting genius. That's what the HCs and scouts are for.

Whoever the O line coach is needs to be gone yesterday.

Rick Dennison and take Gary Kubiak too, his playcalling is a joke

[RandyMoss84]

If we're looking at a Kirk replacement mid-season instead of firing Zim, I'd look at Mariota, Tyrod Taylor, and even Kaep. Guys who can make plays with their legs more than their arm.

Or see if we can do a trade of Kirk for Carson Wentz.

No way I would trade Kirk for Carson, Kirk's best asset is that he has never been hurt or injuried in his career while Carson has always been hurt every year, it would be a dumb trade

[S197]

I’m guessing if Zim is fired Spielman is too but I think it’s stupid to fire Spielman.

Spielman has brought in the talent. It’s zims job to coach them.

Spielman's brought mediocrity and irrelevance.

A GM's job is to build a champion, not to simply have some good drafts. Spielman has failed again and again (and again) to solve the team's QB issues, OL issues, etc. After decades in the NFL he still doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the guard position, depsite the fact that it's a glaring problem on his own damn roster every year! He's the Vikes biggest problem and it's not even close.

He clearly doesn't know how to build a champion. That's been obvious for a long time. Sticking with him is simply asking for more of the same futility we've seen from this team for the past 13+ years. He's had ample opportunity to prove he can build a Super Bowl team. It's time to move on.

The list of talent is also a moving goalpost. Pretty sure Mike Hughes made the talent list until he didn’t. And Samia was on the Lynch/potential list, until he wasn’t. Same with Watts and Hercules.

Rick always “wins” the draft on paper with his 10-15 picks. But when it comes to fielding a team, it’s always the same issues year after year.

[Boon]

Just wait til they actually fire zimmer, a coach with a winning record and a few playoff wins, and bring in a new coach who completely sucks and we go back into complete suck mode. I hope you guys get what you ask for. Just keep in mind, this team will never win #### regardless of who the damn coach/gm is until they land a franchise quarterback. Period.

With a halfway decent qb this is a completely different season. Kirk is a turnover machine who has 0 ability to adjust to anything. And it just so happens they will win just enough to not land the #1 pick because the jets are so freaking bad. So they need to either trade an absurd amount of picks to the jets or settle for fields. Either way they need to keep drafting 1st rd qb's until one sticks. Tired of this ####. Its not zimmers #### fault cousins is garbage , spielman was the one who extended him

[808vikingsfan]

To be fair, Zimmer is not the one throwing ints out there.

Having a good qb can make a coach look like a genius. Look at the Pats now.

I'd be happy with a QB change first but I'm fine with cleaning house just as long as it includes Cousins.

Zimmer is the head coach and his responsibility is to motivate and prepare the team and he has failed to do that over and over, he has to go

So... Belichick just stopped motivating and preparing his team the same year he lost his QB?

[S197]

Just wait til they actually fire zimmer, a coach with a winning record and a few playoff wins, and bring in a new coach who completely sucks and we go back into complete suck mode. I hope you guys get what you ask for. Just keep in mind, this team will never win #### regardless of who the damn coach/gm is until they land a franchise quarterback. Period.

With a halfway decent qb this is a completely different season. Kirk is a turnover machine who has 0 ability to adjust to anything. And it just so happens they will win just enough to not land the #1 pick because the jets are so freaking bad. So they need to either trade an absurd amount of picks to the jets or settle for fields. Either way they need to keep drafting 1st rd qb's until one sticks. Tired of this ####. Its not zimmers #### fault cousins is garbage , spielman was the one who extended him

The problem is Zimmer adds no value. He’s a defensive minded coach with a terrible defense. Despite a plethora of 1st and 2nd round picks.

He has yet to take the next step, which is to stop being a glorified DC and start being a HC. His time management and decision making is still poor. He’s often badly out coached in key games. His philosophy on the game is antiquated and overly conservative. He’s basically Marv Lewis.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I’m guessing if Zim is fired Spielman is too but I think it’s stupid to fire Spielman.

Spielman has brought in the talent. It’s zims job to coach them.

Spielman's brought mediocrity and irrelevance.

A GM's job is to build a champion, not to simply have some good drafts. Spielman has failed again and again (and again) to solve the team's QB issues, OL issues, etc. After decades in the NFL he still doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the guard position, depsite the fact that it's a glaring problem on his own damn roster every year! He's the Vikes biggest problem and it's not even close.

He clearly doesn't know how to build a champion. That's been obvious for a long time. Sticking with him is simply asking for more of the same futility we've seen from this team for the past 13+ years. He's had ample opportunity to prove he can build a Super Bowl team. It's time to move on.

Completely disagree. Having good drafts means you’re bringing in talent for your coach to work with. These guys are showing they can play when they have the opportunity. Especially this years draft class. I haven’t seen a disappointing draft pick yet. Again, his job is to get the talent in, zimmers job is to coach the players and utilize these players to the best of his ability. He is NOT doing that.

You bring up the QB, guard and I’ll even add in 3 tech. However, outside of that, we’ve been pretty strong at all other positions. Average at some but for the most part, pretty good across the board. How many times have you heard analysts say “the Vikings have one of the more talented rosters in the nfl? I heard it quite often for the last 4-5 years.

I’m not going harp on someone that does a good job finding talent via the draft. Has he sucked at finding a guard, yeah 100%, although who knows this year because Zim practically refused to play Cleveland until he was forced to so we have no idea about Cleveland yet. But yeah he deserves criticism there. QB, sure we can say the ponder experiment was a failure, the Teddy pick was no different than a pick like Lamar Jackson. Both taken at the same spot in the draft no less. I just think Teddy was a game manager at best. Cousins probably came in a year too late because that’s when the defense started declining, getting older and eventually becoming depleted. And no not due to cousins contract. Those guys became past their prime (Rhodes and Joseph, Waynes got money he didn’t deserve, etc).

I don’t feel like Spielman would be incapable of drafting a QB this year if he was our GM still. I want a GM that can bring in talent and I can bet money if you look, Spielman probably has a top 10 hit rate on draft picks the past 6 years compared to other GMs.

My entire point with this is I don’t think it’s Spielman that’s the problem. Spielman has been part of 2 NFC championships. I don’t think he “can’t” build a SB roster. I just think Zim is beyond his time. It’s also tough to gauge because this team is somewhat depleted right now. Not necessarily loaded with injuries it’s just that losing a guy like hunter, who I’ve said before isn’t just the best defensive but I think arguably the best player on this entire team, losing Pierce who I thought was an excellent signing to covid is a massive hit. Losing Barr hurts whether you’re a fan of him or not. And then zimmers inability to recognize who his best players are and utilizing them.

I don’t know, I just feel like firing Spielman isn’t the answer for this team. I truly believe that

[Pondering Her Percy]

Just wait til they actually fire zimmer, a coach with a winning record and a few playoff wins, and bring in a new coach who completely sucks and we go back into complete suck mode. I hope you guys get what you ask for. Just keep in mind, this team will never win #### regardless of who the damn coach/gm is until they land a franchise quarterback. Period.

With a halfway decent qb this is a completely different season. Kirk is a turnover machine who has 0 ability to adjust to anything. And it just so happens they will win just enough to not land the #1 pick because the jets are so freaking bad. So they need to either trade an absurd amount of picks to the jets or settle for fields. Either way they need to keep drafting 1st rd qb's until one sticks. Tired of this ####. Its not zimmers #### fault cousins is garbage , spielman was the one who extended him

The problem is Zimmer adds no value. He’s a defensive minded coach with a terrible defense. Despite a plethora of 1st and 2nd round picks.

He has yet to take the next step, which is to stop being a glorified DC and start being a HC. His time management and decision making is still poor. He’s often badly out coached in key games. His philosophy on the game is antiquated and overly conservative. He’s basically Marv Lewis.

And I’m starting to feel the same way. I really liked him, but he’s really starting to wear on me

[Boon]

Just wait til they actually fire zimmer, a coach with a winning record and a few playoff wins, and bring in a new coach who completely sucks and we go back into complete suck mode. I hope you guys get what you ask for. Just keep in mind, this team will never win #### regardless of who the damn coach/gm is until they land a franchise quarterback. Period.

With a halfway decent qb this is a completely different season. Kirk is a turnover machine who has 0 ability to adjust to anything. And it just so happens they will win just enough to not land the #1 pick because the jets are so freaking bad. So they need to either trade an absurd amount of picks to the jets or settle for fields. Either way they need to keep drafting 1st rd qb's until one sticks. Tired of this ####. Its not zimmers #### fault cousins is garbage , spielman was the one who extended him

The problem is Zimmer adds no value. He’s a defensive minded coach with a terrible defense. Despite a plethora of 1st and 2nd round picks.

He has yet to take the next step, which is to stop being a glorified DC and start being a HC. His time management and decision making is still poor. He’s often badly out coached in key games. His philosophy on the game is antiquated and overly conservative. He’s basically Marv Lewis.

Look at his overall defensive rankings since he's taken over. The year he took over the vikings literally had the worst scoring defense in the entire league. They went from 32nd to 11th, and since he has fielded a top 10 defense in scoring every year except this one.

Look, lets be realists, there isnt any level of preseason or coaching thats gonna help the corners we have. Zimmer had a decent secondary and it was gutted to basically extend this #### quarterback. Rookies or not, dantzler and gladney look completely lost and i think its systemic. I honestly believe this is chris cook and benny sapp all over again. And hughes is trash . This is a situation spielman created, not zimmer

[RandyMoss84]

Zimmer is the head coach and his responsibility is to motivate and prepare the team and he has failed to do that over and over, he has to go

So... Belichick just stopped motivating and preparing his team the same year he lost his QB?

That is a bad comparison since Belichick has always motivated and prepared his teams and that is why Patriots won 5 Superbowls while Zimmer has won 0 Superbowls as head coach

[Pondering Her Percy]

Spielman's brought mediocrity and irrelevance.

A GM's job is to build a champion, not to simply have some good drafts. Spielman has failed again and again (and again) to solve the team's QB issues, OL issues, etc. After decades in the NFL he still doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the guard position, depsite the fact that it's a glaring problem on his own damn roster every year! He's the Vikes biggest problem and it's not even close.

He clearly doesn't know how to build a champion. That's been obvious for a long time. Sticking with him is simply asking for more of the same futility we've seen from this team for the past 13+ years. He's had ample opportunity to prove he can build a Super Bowl team. It's time to move on.

The list of talent is also a moving goalpost. Pretty sure Mike Hughes made the talent list until he didn’t. And Samia was on the Lynch/potential list, until he wasn’t. Same with Watts and Hercules.

Rick always “wins” the draft on paper with his 10-15 picks. But when it comes to fielding a team, it’s always the same issues year after year.

I mean in all fairness, Hercules wasn’t a pick he was undrafted. Watts was a 6th round pick. Samia a 4th rounder and so on. Hitting on those guys is a luxury because as you get deeper in the draft your hit % drastically decreases. Which is why I like Spielmans strategy of making a lot of late round picks. I mean Samia was simply a bad pick clearly. But hitting on watts or an undrafted free agent like Hercules is 100% a luxury if anything.

Hughes simply didn’t pan out. I mean he was a highly ranked corner just didn’t pan out.

[TSonn]

The problem is Zimmer adds no value. He’s a defensive minded coach with a terrible defense. Despite a plethora of 1st and 2nd round picks.

He has yet to take the next step, which is to stop being a glorified DC and start being a HC. His time management and decision making is still poor. He’s often badly out coached in key games. His philosophy on the game is antiquated and overly conservative. He’s basically Marv Lewis.

Look at his overall defensive rankings since he's taken over. The year he took over the vikings literally had the worst scoring defense in the entire league. They went from 32nd to 11th, and since he has fielded a top 10 defense in scoring every year except this one.

Look, lets be realists, there isnt any level of preseason or coaching thats gonna help the corners we have. Zimmer had a decent secondary and it was gutted to basically extend this #### quarterback. Rookies or not, dantzler and gladney look completely lost and i think its systemic. I honestly believe this is chris cook and benny sapp all over again. And hughes is trash . This is a situation spielman created, not zimmer

Zimmer has consistently required top-level talent at all three levels of his defense to be a top 5 defense in the league. And even then they often let us down when we needed a stop or a big game.

Zimmer as a defensive guru should be able to create more defensive playmakers with mid to lower round talent. Any coach can make a solid defense out of Harrison Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Anthony Barr, Everson Griffen, and Linval Joseph all in their prime. Heck, there's an argument that an offensive-minded coach could've gotten better production out of that squad with better in-game adjustments, time management, game flow, etc.

[RandyMoss84]

Spielman's brought mediocrity and irrelevance.

A GM's job is to build a champion, not to simply have some good drafts. Spielman has failed again and again (and again) to solve the team's QB issues, OL issues, etc. After decades in the NFL he still doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the guard position, depsite the fact that it's a glaring problem on his own damn roster every year! He's the Vikes biggest problem and it's not even close.

He clearly doesn't know how to build a champion. That's been obvious for a long time. Sticking with him is simply asking for more of the same futility we've seen from this team for the past 13+ years. He's had ample opportunity to prove he can build a Super Bowl team. It's time to move on.

Completely disagree. Having good drafts means you’re bringing in talent for your coach to work with. These guys are showing they can play when they have the opportunity. Especially this years draft class. I haven’t seen a disappointing draft pick yet. Again, his job is to get the talent in, zimmers job is to coach the players and utilize these players to the best of his ability. He is NOT doing that.

You bring up the QB, guard and I’ll even add in 3 tech. However, outside of that, we’ve been pretty strong at all other positions. Average at some but for the most part, pretty good across the board. How many times have you heard analysts say “the Vikings have one of the more talented rosters in the nfl? I heard it quite often for the last 4-5 years.

I’m not going harp on someone that does a good job finding talent via the draft. Has he sucked at finding a guard, yeah 100%, although who knows this year because Zim practically refused to play Cleveland until he was forced to so we have no idea about Cleveland yet. But yeah he deserves criticism there. QB, sure we can say the ponder experiment was a failure, the Teddy pick was no different than a pick like Lamar Jackson. Both taken at the same spot in the draft no less. I just think Teddy was a game manager at best. Cousins probably came in a year too late because that’s when the defense started declining, getting older and eventually becoming depleted. And no not due to cousins contract. Those guys became past their prime (Rhodes and Joseph, Waynes got money he didn’t deserve, etc).

I don’t feel like Spielman would be incapable of drafting a QB this year if he was our GM still. I want a GM that can bring in talent and I can bet money if you look, Spielman probably has a top 10 hit rate on draft picks the past 6 years compared to other GMs.

My entire point with this is I don’t think it’s Spielman that’s the problem. Spielman has been part of 2 NFC championships. I don’t think he “can’t” build a SB roster. I just think Zim is beyond his time. It’s also tough to gauge because this team is somewhat depleted right now. Not necessarily loaded with injuries it’s just that losing a guy like hunter, who I’ve said before isn’t just the best defensive but I think arguably the best player on this entire team, losing Pierce who I thought was an excellent signing to covid is a massive hit. Losing Barr hurts whether you’re a fan of him or not. And then zimmers inability to recognize who his best players are and utilizing them.

I don’t know, I just feel like firing Spielman isn’t the answer for this team. I truly believe that

If you think Spielman is so good then he should be head coach then