Case Keenum

[StumpHunter]

You don’t need the first overall pick to land a QB.
Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott.are just a couple of examples. And you don’t have to draft just one and put all of your eggs in one basket like Rick has always done. Keep several so it isn’t a complete dumpster fire and panic when there is an injury or ineffectiveness. We have Sean Mannion.

I think you may have hit on the key for the Vikings drafting a successful QB: firing the GM.

[Raptorman]

In order to improve at QB by the draft you really have to lose. Because it's tough to go from 20th to 1-4. And of course if the Vikings do that, and who they pick is a bust, then it will all be the GM's fault. Roughly 50% of all 1st round QB's are busts. Who's going to be the guy? Who do you give 2 1st rounders and a 2nd round for?

Jackson was available and while I think he has a short shelf life, it is probably going to be longer than Cousins is with this team.

50% is better than waiting for the next Manning or Brees to get hurt and signing them in FAs.

1st and 2nd round QB's drafted by the Vikings since 2006. One would think it's time the Vikings "hit" on one. Is this 50% better than Cousins?

Tarvaris Jackson
Christian Ponder
Teddy Bridgewater.

[Peaky_Blinders]

There's no QB currently in the NFL or collage for that matter that can win with our current OL for which there's no easy fix. Fix the OL first!!!!!

[StumpHunter]

Jackson was available and while I think he has a short shelf life, it is probably going to be longer than Cousins is with this team.

50% is better than waiting for the next Manning or Brees to get hurt and signing them in FAs.

1st and 2nd round QB's drafted by the Vikings since 2006. One would think it's time the Vikings "hit" on one. Is this 50% better than Cousins?

Tarvaris Jackson
Christian Ponder
Teddy Bridgewater.

See above. The GM is terrible at identifying QB prospects.

[CharVike]

You don’t need the first overall pick to land a QB.
Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott.are just a couple of examples. And you don’t have to draft just one and put all of your eggs in one basket like Rick has always done. Keep several so it isn’t a complete dumpster fire and panic when there is an injury or ineffectiveness. We have Sean Mannion.

I think you may have hit on the key for the Vikings drafting a successful QB: firing the GM.

First off what exactly is a successful QB. I hear Wilson all the time. Yes he won a Super Bowl. Put him on our current team and he's not winning a Super Bowl. People act as if Vegas would make us the favorites with Wilson. That won't happen We don't have a defense that is even close to the LOB. Wilson should win it this year if he's so great. Guess what? It's not happening. They will be hard pressed to win the division. But he's a great QB and a winner. Got it. Prescott? Dallas are favorites. He should take them far. We'll see about that. IMO he's not a good enough passer.

[StumpHunter]

I think you may have hit on the key for the Vikings drafting a successful QB: firing the GM.

First off what exactly is a successful QB. I hear Wilson all the time. Yes he won a Super Bowl. Put him on our current team and he's not winning a Super Bowl. People act as if Vegas would make us the favorites with Wilson. That won't happen We don't have a defense that is even close to the LOB. Wilson should win it this year if he's so great. Guess what? It's not happening. They will be hard pressed to win the division. But he's a great QB and a winner. Got it. Prescott? Dallas are favorites. He should take them far. We'll see about that. IMO he's not a good enough passer.

LOL. Wilson and Dak aren't successful QBs...

You have some of the best takes on here man. Keep it up.

[YikesVikes]

First off what exactly is a successful QB. I hear Wilson all the time. Yes he won a Super Bowl. Put him on our current team and he's not winning a Super Bowl. People act as if Vegas would make us the favorites with Wilson. That won't happen We don't have a defense that is even close to the LOB. Wilson should win it this year if he's so great. Guess what? It's not happening. They will be hard pressed to win the division. But he's a great QB and a winner. Got it. Prescott? Dallas are favorites. He should take them far. We'll see about that. IMO he's not a good enough passer.

LOL. Wilson and Dak aren't successful QBs...

You have some of the best takes on here man. Keep it up.

Yes. He's tripping. Wilson would make the playoffs here. He's done so behind worse lines

[VikingPaul73]

Exactly, and once you’re in the playoffs anything can happen. Wilson has shown he can win with a bad OL, he can win in the playoffs, he can come from behind, he can win with much less around him (ie no thelien , diggs, cook) etc.

The point is that you don’t have to pick number 1 to get a good QB. There are lots of examples but you have to take a shot. Rick doesn’t , it’s all or nothing with him with no viable back up plan. Sean hill an Marrion aren’t realistic backups. Keenum was and I give Rick credit for that - and we had our best season since 2009.

Good QBs can be found and developed. But not by Rick. If Rick has a 3rd round pick burning a hole in his pocket, does he try to find a Russell Wilson or Dak? No he trades it to collect later picks.

He has been a complete disaster with OL and QB. I give him credit for diggs, thielen and cook, I really do. But with a terrible OL and not a good QB what does that get us? 7-9? 8-8? Wonderful

As far as D drafting I give Zim credit for drafting guys that fit his system, not Rick. The D was a disaster before Zim was here with Rick’s picks, which is a huge part of the reason Zim was hired to begin with. But we’ve seen the limitations with Zim coaching and we’re at his ceiling I think. D is simply not good enough to compensate for his other limitations

Time for a change!!

[VikingPaul73]

PS- lest my post be misrepresented - when I say we need a change at the top I DON’T mean in week 5. I mean this offseason.

[CharVike]

LOL. Wilson and Dak aren't successful QBs...

You have some of the best takes on here man. Keep it up.

Yes. He's tripping. Wilson would make the playoffs here. He's done so behind worse lines

Dak has faced one team with a winning record and was beat. He put up a grand total of 10 points. I don't see how that is good. But maybe it is. Yes he beat the Giants (with Manning), Skins and Phins. Wow. That's unbelievable. Same with the other guy played one team with a winning record and one lose. This sounds familiar. Cousins will face the Giants. Will he beat them? Time will tell. It's more than him. Zim is facing a rookie QB and supposedly he has a great pass D. Eat him alive. Pick him off. This should be easy pickings.

[StumpHunter]

Yes. He's tripping. Wilson would make the playoffs here. He's done so behind worse lines

Dak has faced one team with a winning record and was beat. He put up a grand total of 10 points. I don't see how that is good. But maybe it is. Yes he beat the Giants (with Manning), Skins and Phins. Wow. That's unbelievable. Same with the other guy played one team with a winning record and one lose. This sounds familiar. Cousins will face the Giants. Will he beat them? Time will tell. It's more than him. Zim is facing a rookie QB and supposedly he has a great pass D. Eat him alive. Pick him off. This should be easy pickings.

I didn't realize this was Dak's first year playing.

[CharVike]

Dak has faced one team with a winning record and was beat. He put up a grand total of 10 points. I don't see how that is good. But maybe it is. Yes he beat the Giants (with Manning), Skins and Phins. Wow. That's unbelievable. Same with the other guy played one team with a winning record and one lose. This sounds familiar. Cousins will face the Giants. Will he beat them? Time will tell. It's more than him. Zim is facing a rookie QB and supposedly he has a great pass D. Eat him alive. Pick him off. This should be easy pickings.

I didn't realize this was Dak's first year playing.

I pointed out his current record and what he did against a winning team. That's was wrong on my part. You keep giving Wilson all the credit for winning the Super Bowl. Don't forget the LOB. You act like they never existed..Since the LOB got old there has been no Super Bowl. I'm not saying Wilson is a bum. I don't see him leading our current team to the show. Our D isn't good enough. But that's my guess. If he was with us it could be a calk walk.

[Raptorman]

First off what exactly is a successful QB. I hear Wilson all the time. Yes he won a Super Bowl. Put him on our current team and he's not winning a Super Bowl. People act as if Vegas would make us the favorites with Wilson. That won't happen We don't have a defense that is even close to the LOB. Wilson should win it this year if he's so great. Guess what? It's not happening. They will be hard pressed to win the division. But he's a great QB and a winner. Got it. Prescott? Dallas are favorites. He should take them far. We'll see about that. IMO he's not a good enough passer.

LOL. Wilson and Dak aren't successful QBs...

You have some of the best takes on here man. Keep it up.

Yup, Wilson sucks.
You know Which QB's have won more games than Wilson since he started in 2012.
Tom Brady.
That's the complete list.

Do you know which QB's have more playoff wins than Wilson?
Tom Brady.

[J. Kapp 11]

I didn't realize this was Dak's first year playing.

I pointed out his current record and what he did against a winning team. That's was wrong on my part. You keep giving Wilson all the credit for winning the Super Bowl. Don't forget the LOB. You act like they never existed..Since the LOB got old there has been no Super Bowl. I'm not saying Wilson is a bum. I don't see him leading our current team to the show. Our D isn't good enough. But that's my guess. If he was with us it could be a calk walk.

Obviously there's no guarantee that any QB would lead any team to the Super Bowl. But if you don't think Russell Wilson could improve this offense, then you simply haven't been watching.

Everything that causes Kirk Cousins problems, Russell Wilson excels at. Kirk panics under the rush ... there's nobody better at feeling the rush and moving in and out of the pocket than Wilson, save maybe for Aaron Rodgers. Cousins melts in big moments against top competition ... Wilson's track record shows that he has been at his best in big games against good teams. Wilson moves the chains with his feet. He throws an accurate deep ball. He's got a strong arm. He excels at throwing on the run. There's nothing Kirk Cousins can do that Russell Wilson can't do much, much better.

Put Russell Wilson on the Minnesota Vikings, and we're undefeated right now, and every power ranking would have us tops in the NFC. Heck, put Case Keenum playing at 2017 level on the Minnesota Vikings, and we're probably undefeated. And Keenum couldn't carry Russell Wilson's jock strap.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I love the argument that Keenums average play on bad teams with 0 weapons means he will play poorly genre with good weapons. Its such a technically flawed argument, its laughable. Especially since get has proven success with the same offensive weapons we have now. Let's ignore what he did HERE and focus on why he couldn't win with backups in Denver and late round Rookies in Washington. Cousin is clearly the answer.

Backups in Denver? He started the year with Sanders, Thomas and Sutton. Lindsey at RB and a decent defense. He had that group up until week 9ish. There were plenty of weapons on Denver’s team. Keenum still couldn’t cut it. And they didn’t trade Thomas until after week 8. Sanders didn’t get hurt until week 12 and Lindsey couldn’t catch? That’s your defense? LOL. The guy had plenty of weapons. The broncos were 3-5 when that group finally got split up with the trade. And at the time, Keenum had 10 tds vs 10 ints. In 8 games. Yeah....BAD. He threw at least one pick in 8 consecutive games. Yeah....bad. WITH plenty of weapons

And late round rookies in Washington? Mclaurin is a 3rd round pick and was a stud at Ohio st and has been a stud this year.

But again, why does keenums year in Washington not count but all of cousins do? How is that fair? The fact that you guys think this guy was somehow worth a damn as a QB, I truly don’t know what to tell you. You’re obsessed with a miracle year. Pat shurmur is why Keenum was where he was. Along with everything else going right for him that year.

Diggs and thielen went off, running game was on point, OL was overachieving, defense was #1 in the nfl, the schedule was a cake walk, pat shurmur was the OC (biggest one of them all), ST played well and a fricken miracle had to happen. Like Keenum needed everything to go perfectly to be successful and that’s what happened. I don’t care about his “rah-rah” leader personality. He can’t lead any other team. Nobody is getting behind him. Nobody trusts him. He is a bum. Always will be a bum. He wouldn’t be doing anything for this team right now. Pat shurmur isn’t the OC. Neither was he last year and Keenum would have crumbled in a pass heavy offense that relied on him to carry the team.

Get off this fricken guy. He’s gone. Won’t be coming back. Has been benched. Will be on his 3rd team in 3 years after this year. And won’t ever have a full blown lucky year like he did in 2017 again. I don’t care if he’s playing for the patriots or for the dolphins. If the guy had any legitimate talent, you would see something in the last two years and he’s shown nothing and has had plenty of chances. He’s been handed starting jobs and is quickly given up on. He’s shown exactly what everyone thought he was: an inconsistent stop gap/backup. MOVE ON!