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Plus on that last drive he kept checking down and throwing it in bounds. Like... Who cares if you throw an INT then, throw the ball downfield. Be a man for God's sake.VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:19 pm my biggest concern with Cousins isn't his contract, his lack of mobility or anything with ANY stat
my concern is that he's a choker. That he folds in prime time games. That he panics under pressure. That he will never come through in the clutch.
Seriously, 1:30 remaining, the Vikings get the ball down 4 at their own 25 in a Playoff game. Be honest......would any of you even have a shred of confidence that Kirk Freaking Cousins would lead us to victory??
I would not.
next 2 years are a total 8-8 waste. then cousins is gone, Zimmer is gone, and hopefully Slicky Ricky is gone. then the rebuild.
So, IF the rebuild goes well, at least 4 years until there is any hope of playoff success. Sad. Bears are the class of the division for the next 3-5 years.
He is a scarred QB. Thats what they do. Thats why I am pretty sure we just wasted 3 more years, and we have Speilman to find another QB....which is never good.PurpleMustReign wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:22 pmPlus on that last drive he kept checking down and throwing it in bounds. Like... Who cares if you throw an INT then, throw the ball downfield. Be a man for God's sake.VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:19 pm my biggest concern with Cousins isn't his contract, his lack of mobility or anything with ANY stat
my concern is that he's a choker. That he folds in prime time games. That he panics under pressure. That he will never come through in the clutch.
Seriously, 1:30 remaining, the Vikings get the ball down 4 at their own 25 in a Playoff game. Be honest......would any of you even have a shred of confidence that Kirk Freaking Cousins would lead us to victory??
I would not.
next 2 years are a total 8-8 waste. then cousins is gone, Zimmer is gone, and hopefully Slicky Ricky is gone. then the rebuild.
So, IF the rebuild goes well, at least 4 years until there is any hope of playoff success. Sad. Bears are the class of the division for the next 3-5 years.
Minnesota Vikings: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif
The Vikings overpaid for Kirk Cousins, so now they have to transition from a defensive team to an offensive one. An improved offensive line will allow Cousins to survive until Week 17, when he can once again choke with a playoff bid on the line.
Jonah Williams had a great freshman year as Alabama's right tackle. He's now manning the blind side with Cam Robinson gone. Charlie Campbell spoke to sources who believe Williams will be taken in the second half of the opening round
Ouch.VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:24 am http://walterfootball.com/draft2019_1.php
Minnesota Vikings: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif
The Vikings overpaid for Kirk Cousins, so now they have to transition from a defensive team to an offensive one. An improved offensive line will allow Cousins to survive until Week 17, when he can once again choke with a playoff bid on the line.
Jonah Williams had a great freshman year as Alabama's right tackle. He's now manning the blind side with Cam Robinson gone. Charlie Campbell spoke to sources who believe Williams will be taken in the second half of the opening round
Ha!VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:24 am http://walterfootball.com/draft2019_1.php
Minnesota Vikings: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif
The Vikings overpaid for Kirk Cousins, so now they have to transition from a defensive team to an offensive one. An improved offensive line will allow Cousins to survive until Week 17, when he can once again choke with a playoff bid on the line.
Jonah Williams had a great freshman year as Alabama's right tackle. He's now manning the blind side with Cam Robinson gone. Charlie Campbell spoke to sources who believe Williams will be taken in the second half of the opening round
Listening to an opinion on walter football is about as reliable as listening to something on Viking Age lolVikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:24 am http://walterfootball.com/draft2019_1.php
Minnesota Vikings: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Alabama_logo.gif
The Vikings overpaid for Kirk Cousins, so now they have to transition from a defensive team to an offensive one. An improved offensive line will allow Cousins to survive until Week 17, when he can once again choke with a playoff bid on the line.
Jonah Williams had a great freshman year as Alabama's right tackle. He's now manning the blind side with Cam Robinson gone. Charlie Campbell spoke to sources who believe Williams will be taken in the second half of the opening round
Seattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.Alaskan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:53 am http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2019/ ... sive-line/
Some interesting info in this article.
I don’t necessarily agree with Coller on drafting skill position over OL. I think they should follow there board and draft BPA.
The o line problems are league problem(CBA). They need more practice time for these young o linemen. They are just nowhere near ready coming out of college, generally speaking.
There is just no way the Vikes are going to put together a mauler o line line some fans are pounding there fist on the the table for. It’s just unrealistic. They could possibly put together something line they had in 2017 under Shurmur and Sparano. They maximized the skill sets of that group. They need to get the right coaches and play callers and put together a system and scheme that compliments the skills of their linemen. That’s about the best we as fans can hope for in the short term.
Problem with that is we still have Curt “the statue” Cousins as our QB who needs elite lineman and skill players all the way down the depth chart to be successful. I think he will go down as one of the most bozo signings in Viking history.
Well said. That gets to what I've always considered a fundamental difference of opinion about the purpose of the draft. I'm tempted to call it a misunderstanding but it's probably more of a philosophical difference. Anyway, many fans, pundits, analysts and even teams and GMs seem to see the draft primarily as an exercise in talent acquisition. Player ratings are carefully scrutinized and debates rage every year about whether a player was selected too soon, too late, should have gone 6 picks later, etc. Talent is the focus and that's reflected to some extent in "best player available" philosophy.S197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pmSeattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.
Indy yes. Seattle, again, does not have a good offensive line. When it comes to run blocking, yeah. They are a bunch of strong, slow footed maulers. But they are one of the worst pass blocking OLs in the nfl. Just as bad or worse than ours. Their adjusted sack rate was 2nd to last in the entire nfl. And Russell Wilson barely throws the ball. That alone says enoughS197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pmSeattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.Alaskan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:53 am http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2019/ ... sive-line/
Some interesting info in this article.
I don’t necessarily agree with Coller on drafting skill position over OL. I think they should follow there board and draft BPA.
The o line problems are league problem(CBA). They need more practice time for these young o linemen. They are just nowhere near ready coming out of college, generally speaking.
There is just no way the Vikes are going to put together a mauler o line line some fans are pounding there fist on the the table for. It’s just unrealistic. They could possibly put together something line they had in 2017 under Shurmur and Sparano. They maximized the skill sets of that group. They need to get the right coaches and play callers and put together a system and scheme that compliments the skills of their linemen. That’s about the best we as fans can hope for in the short term.
Problem with that is we still have Curt “the statue” Cousins as our QB who needs elite lineman and skill players all the way down the depth chart to be successful. I think he will go down as one of the most bozo signings in Viking history.
How many time did the Vikes sack Wilson when we played them, with the horrible Oline you think they have?Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:27 pmIndy yes. Seattle, again, does not have a good offensive line. When it comes to run blocking, yeah. They are a bunch of strong, slow footed maulers. But they are one of the worst pass blocking OLs in the nfl. Just as bad or worse than ours. Their adjusted sack rate was 2nd to last in the entire nfl. And Russell Wilson barely throws the ball. That alone says enoughS197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pm
Seattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.
Seattle still went from a horrid line to something serviceable enough to make the playoffs. Even if you feel their line is terrible at pass protection, at least they could run block. Whereas our line couldn't do either, which was a major step backwards from last year.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:27 pmIndy yes. Seattle, again, does not have a good offensive line. When it comes to run blocking, yeah. They are a bunch of strong, slow footed maulers. But they are one of the worst pass blocking OLs in the nfl. Just as bad or worse than ours. Their adjusted sack rate was 2nd to last in the entire nfl. And Russell Wilson barely throws the ball. That alone says enoughS197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pm
Seattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.
It makes sense.Mothman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:45 pmWell said. That gets to what I've always considered a fundamental difference of opinion about the purpose of the draft. I'm tempted to call it a misunderstanding but it's probably more of a philosophical difference. Anyway, many fans, pundits, analysts and even teams and GMs seem to see the draft primarily as an exercise in talent acquisition. Player ratings are carefully scrutinized and debates rage every year about whether a player was selected too soon, too late, should have gone 6 picks later, etc. Talent is the focus and that's reflected to some extent in "best player available" philosophy.S197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pmSeattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.
As I see it, talent acquisition is a key aspect of the draft but it's not the purpose of the draft. The primary purpose of the draft is team-building. That obviously manifests as the acquisition of talent but it's not a contest to see who gets the best-ranked or most gifted player at their slot in each round every spring. Selecting the most talented player available is only the best choice if that selection is a wise move in the context of a comprehensive team-building strategy because ultimately, the goal is to have the best team, not just the most talent (and they aren't quite the same thing).
I hope that made sense.
To be fair, both SEA and INDY have very good, mobile Qbs. Makes the OL look better and can open both running and passing game.S197 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:53 pmSeattle and Indy turned horrid Olines into pretty good ones quickly and made it to the postseason based on those changes. Our drafting strategy is the definition of insanity, we say BPA every year and every year the OL needs to be fixed. How long has it been, 10 years? Ryan Cook, Anthony Herrera, Artis Hicks, TJ Clemmings, Alex Boone, Tom Compton... we need to stop the madness. We don't need the best player available if he's going to be the backup behind a competent starter or part of a unit with enough talent as it is. We have an absolute glaring problem that needs to be addressed and we're in a position where we can reach a little. This isn't a rebuilding team, it's a team that's window I see rapidly closing.Alaskan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:53 am http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2019/ ... sive-line/
Some interesting info in this article.
I don’t necessarily agree with Coller on drafting skill position over OL. I think they should follow there board and draft BPA.
The o line problems are league problem(CBA). They need more practice time for these young o linemen. They are just nowhere near ready coming out of college, generally speaking.
There is just no way the Vikes are going to put together a mauler o line line some fans are pounding there fist on the the table for. It’s just unrealistic. They could possibly put together something line they had in 2017 under Shurmur and Sparano. They maximized the skill sets of that group. They need to get the right coaches and play callers and put together a system and scheme that compliments the skills of their linemen. That’s about the best we as fans can hope for in the short term.
Problem with that is we still have Curt “the statue” Cousins as our QB who needs elite lineman and skill players all the way down the depth chart to be successful. I think he will go down as one of the most bozo signings in Viking history.