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So you're saying no team has EVER had a locker room torn between two QBs?Raptorman wrote:QB controversies are media events invented by the media for the media to generate traffic/sales of said media. I guarantee that no team thinks they have ever had a QB controversy on their hands.
Not what I am saying. Key word in my statement. "Thinks" Take Green Bay and the whole Favre/Rodgers fiasco. Green Bay didn't think they had a problem. Rodgers was the starter. That was the decision that was made and that was the decision they stuck to. To fans and the press it was a fiasco, to the Packer origination it was an issue that had to be dealt with and was.DKSweets wrote:So you're saying no team has EVER had a locker room torn between two QBs?
Yup. I believe what I see, not what I hear. Zimmer could be powdering Ponder's nose for a trade just as easily as he could be serious. He's being diplomatic, that's all we know for sure.Texas Vike wrote:
Communicating with the media is a game of impression management and revealing only what's in your team's interest to reveal. I don't mean to depict the process as some kind of spy thriller or secrets of state type situation, but you can bet that there's plenty of the same control of information going on.
Minnesota's situation is the latter.indianation65 wrote:Controversies - not good
Competition - great!
...wisdom
There was no controversy. Cassel was hired to be the backup.808vikingsfan wrote: The Vikings suffered through an embarrasing QB controversy last year and I don't think the media had much to do with it.
I think to some degree that's the way it is. I recall Zimmer saying when he first got here every position other than RB is up for grabs. The truth is under the new agreement there simply isn't enough snaps to give everyone an equal look. You need to set some sort of depth chart (even if it's in flux) in order to remain efficient. The guys at the bottom just have to make each snap count all the more.indianation65 wrote:Hmm, now that I put more thought into it, every training camp "should" be the beginning of competition for every single position, even for your veteran stars! If coaches worry that "stars" have too much ego, and will be annoyed with the thought of having to truly compete for his recurring position, then a reminder should be made of when each and every player first walked into the Vikings office. That should be...no position, no player is guaranteed a starting position this/each season. Even if a Super Bowl was won, a player should know that his backup, and his backup's backup want to start. Therefore, every season everyone has to earn his spot. If a player begins his career with the Vikings with this front office meeting, he will know it, learn it, expect it and respect it. It's the way it should be. Besides, it will be very hard for a veteran star to be beat out of his position. If he is, then congratulations to the new starter, and the team will then have the best backup in the league!
...wisdom!
GBFavreFan wrote: I'm curious to what you base your idea of anointing starters without competition on? Aaron Rodgers (after Favre obviously), Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, RG3, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers (after Brees), and Andy Dalton were all basically anointed the starters by the teams that drafted them. And note this isn't the entire NFL, which is my point. you can't use a stubborn rule to decide how to name your QB, it is situational depending on who you have on the roster.
Stubborn rules are idiots like the Jaguars who proclaimed that Blake Bortles would sit a year, and now he's playing well in preseason (funny how we all knew he would, yet the team that drafted him is surprised) they are beginning to waiver on that idea.
As for Zimmer, its not so much that he refuses to anoint anybody, but the situation is we have a rookie QB, but also a capable veteran guy, so there is no clear cut guy. If it was Teddy and Ponder, then he probably would've proclaimed Teddy the starter. Zimmer is just being honest in talking about it, but also doing the right thing for the team.
GBFavreFan wrote:There are folks that feel QB controversies are bad and should be avoided, and when coaches claim they love to be in those positions it is met with skepticism. I believe it depends on the situation as there are good QB controversies and there are bad ones. There are two going on in the NFL right now, which are perfect examples of this idea.
On one hand you have Matt Cassel and Teddy Bridgewater. At least since the Cardinals game, you have two very strong QBs. This really is a situation that is good to be in, because you have two good choices, just like with Kaepernick and Alex Smith a couple years back, wherein either guy you choose will likely turn out well. On the other hand, you have the Cleveland Browns with Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel. Two palookas who could barely complete a pass in 3 quarters of a preseason game! The problem with this QB controversy is both guys are playing like Donovan McNabb in 2011. So whichever guy Cleveland picks is going to have high negatives and a high risk factor, and a lot of second guessing and a lot of checks in the loss column.
I am quite happy the Vikings are in this situation and I have ZERO sympathy for the Browns who had complete control over their destiny in this situation as they had Norv Turner on the payroll and Teddy Bridgewater on the draft board at #26 and passed on both for the offensive mess that is the 2014 Cleveland Browns! Good for us bad for them!!!
Raptorman wrote: Not what I am saying. Key word in my statement. "Thinks" Take Green Bay and the whole Favre/Rodgers fiasco. Green Bay didn't think they had a problem. Rodgers was the starter. That was the decision that was made and that was the decision they stuck to. To fans and the press it was a fiasco, to the Packer origination it was an issue that had to be dealt with and was.
If a team has a split in the locker room, that is all on the coaches. The media has a tendency to blow things out of proportion and will do it whenever they can. I am grateful for the Browns because they have really kept the spotlight off of Cassel/Bridgewater. I would give 10-1 odds Cassel will be named the starter by next Monday at the latest.
Bridgewater has definitely out performed Manziel up to this point and if you deny that youre blind tbh, Didnt see Manziel lead his team down the field with 1:00 left on the clock, I dont even think hes completed 50% of his passes, come on manPurpnation wrote:
LOL dude you are one hell of a homer, I love the optimism, I really do, but I love how you try to spin the Browns situation as so much worse then ours, all things considered, Manziel outplayed Bridgewater in the first 2 preseason games, I'm not saying that means much at all but you are acting as if Bridgewater water has been superior to Manziel thus far, and he simply hasn't been.
Umm Manziel has only played 2 Preseason games as well as Bridgewater. If you think that Bridgewater hasn't out performed Manziel, then you haven't been watching the same games.Purpnation wrote:
LOL dude you are one hell of a homer, I love the optimism, I really do, but I love how you try to spin the Browns situation as so much worse then ours, all things considered, Manziel outplayed Bridgewater in the first 2 preseason games, I'm not saying that means much at all but you are acting as if Bridgewater water has been superior to Manziel thus far, and he simply hasn't been.
It looks like thats only the stats from the last game? Teddy is a combined 22 of 33 for 226 yards and 2 tds. Not sure what Johnny footballs stats are for the 2 games.Dirtyswabby wrote: Umm Manziel has only played 2 Preseason games as well as Bridgewater. If you think that Bridgewater hasn't out performed Manziel, then you haven't been watching the same games.
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS RTG
T. Bridgewater 16/20 177 8.9 2 0 1-8 136.9
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS RTG
J. Manziel 7/16 65 4.1 1 0 3-7 76.3
this isn't even counting the amount of flags negated incompletions for Manziel
Manziel is 14/27, 128 yards 1 TD and 0 INTs after 2 gamesakvikingsfan wrote:It looks like thats only the stats from the last game? Teddy is a combined 22 of 33 for 226 yards and 2 tds. Not sure what Johnny footballs stats are for the 2 games.
This post doesn't make any sense to me.Raptorman wrote: Not what I am saying. Key word in my statement. "Thinks" Take Green Bay and the whole Favre/Rodgers fiasco. Green Bay didn't think they had a problem. Rodgers was the starter. That was the decision that was made and that was the decision they stuck to. To fans and the press it was a fiasco, to the Packer origination it was an issue that had to be dealt with and was.
If a team has a split in the locker room, that is all on the coaches. The media has a tendency to blow things out of proportion and will do it whenever they can. I am grateful for the Browns because they have really kept the spotlight off of Cassel/Bridgewater. I would give 10-1 odds Cassel will be named the starter by next Monday at the latest.