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Cris should just go ahead and get that H added to his name. It has annoyed me for years.

Granted this is the preseason and with limited snaps...but this bodes well for his long-term potential and, in my mind, is one of the most critical areas an NFL quarterback must excel in order to be successful.

@PFF -- Vikings rookie QB Teddy Bridgewater has an Accuracy Percentage of 80% on plays when Under Pressure this preseason.

dead_poet wrote:Granted this is the preseason and with limited snaps...but this bodes well for his long-term potential and, in my mind, is one of the most critical areas an NFL quarterback must excel in order to be successful.

Eh... I could do better.

Seriously, that's obviously good and hopefully, when he gets to play in meaningful games, he will be even better.

Thanks for posting that stat, DP! That's very promising.

I'm just not convinced he will be able to develop in a way that's best for him, in a way that will maximize this guy's tremendous potential- by sitting on the bench.... I think there is enough evidence that if a guy is ready to play, let him go out there and run with the big dogs.

I'm just saying, Pete Carroll made the tough call two years ago. In the midst of all the banter, between most of the talking heads and analysts, about Flynn being a promising starter, Seattle paying Flynn that Absurd contract based off of one game - the previous year, and general unkowns and unanswered questions about Russel Wilson (Size, mainly but there we're other concerns) - Pete Carroll came out and just surprised the entire world by starting this 3rd rounder who was too short and this and that, over a $20 million dollar quarterback.

2 Years later? Dynasty-Bound......

If you have Preseason Live do yourself a favor and watch Russel's Rookie preseason games vs Ted's.... START DROOLING.

If you don't have Preseason Live , check the boxscores...

JUST SAYING.... in 2 years when the Lombardy trophy Gets Hoisted up at the new Viking's stadium, It sure would be nice if Ted could have 2 full years of experience and opportunities to break down his OWN game-film and learn to get better that way, instead of breaking down what he would have done in Matt Cassel's shoes, and then going out and taking practice reps with the 2s EVERY DAY FOR A SEASON.

Our situation is EXTREMELY COMPARABLE (please convince me otherwise) to that of a young team under new head coach, Pete Carroll.
So why not us?

SKOL for the future!
TDT2MBW

28BreaksAnkles wrote:I'm just not convinced he will be able to develop in a way that's best for him, in a way that will maximize this guy's tremendous potential- by sitting on the bench.... I think there is enough evidence that if a guy is ready to play, let him go out there and run with the big dogs.

I'm just saying, Pete Carroll made the tough call two years ago. In the midst of all the banter, between most of the talking heads and analysts, about Flynn being a promising starter, Seattle paying Flynn that Absurd contract based off of one game - the previous year, and general unkowns and unanswered questions about Russel Wilson (Size, mainly but there we're other concerns) - Pete Carroll came out and just surprised the entire world by starting this 3rd rounder who was too short and this and that, over a $20 million dollar quarterback.

2 Years later? Dynasty-Bound......

If you have Preseason Live do yourself a favor and watch Russel's Rookie preseason games vs Ted's.... START DROOLING.

If you don't have Preseason Live , check the boxscores...

JUST SAYING.... in 2 years when the Lombardy trophy Gets Hoisted up at the new Viking's stadium, It sure would be nice if Ted could have 2 full years of experience and opportunities to break down his OWN game-film and learn to get better that way, instead of breaking down what he would have done in Matt Cassel's shoes, and then going out and taking practice reps with the 2s EVERY DAY FOR A SEASON.

Our situation is EXTREMELY COMPARABLE (please convince me otherwise) to that of a young team under new head coach, Pete Carroll.
So why not us?

SKOL for the future!
TDT2MBW

The major difference was that Matt Flynn was lousy through camp and the preseason. Wilson earned the job by outplaying Flynn, and while it's a tight battle, I'm not sure anyone could convincingly say teddy outplayed Cassel, because both were very impressive

Just some meaningless preseason stats of all the rookie QB's. 4 of the top 5 looking pretty good. Johnny Ponder not so much.

saint33 wrote:The major difference was that Matt Flynn was lousy through camp and the preseason. Wilson earned the job by outplaying Flynn, and while it's a tight battle, I'm not sure anyone could convincingly say teddy outplayed Cassel, because both were very impressive

Agreed. But, I think there's a little give-and-take here.. Russel also was not a 1st round draft pick with 10,000 yards in college.

Reignman wrote:Just some meaningless preseason stats of all the rookie QB's. 4 of the top 5 looking pretty good. Johnny Ponder not so much.

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drafted                       cmp att   pct  yds  avg td int 1st lng 20+ 40+ sk rating
R1 #  3 Blake Bortles     JAC  32  51  62.7  521 10.2  2  0  21  57T  11   2  4  110.0
R1 # 22 Johnny Manziel    CLE  30  59  50.8  296  5.0  2  0  16  27    2   0  6   76.7
R1 # 32 Teddy Bridgewater MIN  30  49  61.2  283  5.8  5  0  23  37    1   0  3  111.2
R2 # 36 Derek Carr        OAK  30  45  66.7  326  7.2  4  1  16  38    5   0  2  108.2
R2 # 62 Jimmy Garoppolo   N.E  46  79  58.2  618  7.8  5  1  29  53    7   1  3   99.0
R4 #120 Logan Thomas      ARZ  22  40  55.0  207  5.2  1  2  12  23    2   0  6   57.0
R4 #135 Tom Savage        HOU  19  26  73.1  133  5.1  1  1   4  31T   1   0  3   81.1
R5 #163 Aaron Murray      K.C  10  20  50.0  120  6.0  1  1   4  43T   1   1  1   64.6
R5 #164 AJ McCarron       CIN      (has been on the PUP list with a bum shoulder)
R6 #178 Zach Mettenberger TEN  47  68  69.1  659  9.7  2  2  28  64T   8   1  7   97.6
R6 #183 David Fales       CHI  18  31  58.1  214  6.9  1  2  10  41    3   1  2   63.1
R6 #194 Keith Wenning     BAL  10  17  58.8  140  8.2  0  0   6  39    2   0  2   85.4
R6 #213 Tajh Boyd         NYJ   8  17  47.1   98  5.8  1  0   4  42T   2   1  2   84.9
R6 #214 Garrett Gilbert   STL  16  33  48.5  158  4.8  0  0  10  23    2   0  5   62.4
undraft Seth Lobato       MIA  26  53  49.1  271  5.1  1  1  12  30    3   0  2   62.7
undraft Dustin Vaughan    DAL  22  43  51.2  212  4.9  1  0  10  27    2   0  5   73.0
undraft Connor Shaw       CLE   8   9  88.9  123 13.7  1  0   5  45T   3   1  1  155.8
undraft Stephen Morris    JAC  16  25  64.0  120  4.8  0  1   5  20    1   0  1   58.8
undraft Logan Kilgore     N.O   6  10  60.0   52  5.2  0  1   2  17    0   0  0   34.2
undraft Brendon Kay       PIT   5  10  50.0   32  3.2  0  0   1  13    0   0  3   57.1
undraft Jeff Mathews      ATL   1   3  33.3   18  6.0  0  0   0  18    0   0  0   54.9
undraft Chase Rettig      G.B   1   3  33.3   10  3.3  0  0   1  10    0   0  2   43.8

Gosh Reign, nice post. This table alone....... Justifies AT LEAST the Touchdown Teddy part of TDT2MBW.
Just Humiliates his peers in TD-to-completion ratio.. Among other nice things like zer0 picks!

can we just win a #### super bowl, i don't ask for much, but please.

28BreaksAnkles wrote:I'm just not convinced he will be able to develop in a way that's best for him, in a way that will maximize this guy's tremendous potential- by sitting on the bench.... I think there is enough evidence that if a guy is ready to play, let him go out there and run with the big dogs.

I'm just saying, Pete Carroll made the tough call two years ago. In the midst of all the banter, between most of the talking heads and analysts, about Flynn being a promising starter, Seattle paying Flynn that Absurd contract based off of one game - the previous year, and general unkowns and unanswered questions about Russel Wilson (Size, mainly but there we're other concerns) - Pete Carroll came out and just surprised the entire world by starting this 3rd rounder who was too short and this and that, over a $20 million dollar quarterback.

2 Years later? Dynasty-Bound......

If you have Preseason Live do yourself a favor and watch Russel's Rookie preseason games vs Ted's.... START DROOLING.

If you don't have Preseason Live , check the boxscores...

JUST SAYING.... in 2 years when the Lombardy trophy Gets Hoisted up at the new Viking's stadium, It sure would be nice if Ted could have 2 full years of experience and opportunities to break down his OWN game-film and learn to get better that way, instead of breaking down what he would have done in Matt Cassel's shoes, and then going out and taking practice reps with the 2s EVERY DAY FOR A SEASON.

Our situation is EXTREMELY COMPARABLE (please convince me otherwise) to that of a young team under new head coach, Pete Carroll.
So why not us?

SKOL for the future!
TDT2MBW

Except Matt Flynn wasn't as good as Russell in the preseason. Russell was making things happen and stood out. Right now, you can't say Bridgewater stands out all that much more than Cassel. Not to mention that when Pete made that decision, he knew Russell was backed by a then top 5 defense. The situations are definitely not as comparable as you make them seem. Gotta go beyond face value

Edit: saint33 - Just now saw your post. You beat me to it, but yeah, spot on.

Reignman wrote: 4 of the top 5 looking pretty good. Johnny Ponder not so much.

"Johnny Ponder"

Thanks for the stats!

Way too early to judge what type of QB Teddy will become, although he looks poised and talented and the future appears very promising. Same with Johnny Manziel. Personally, I was glad the Vikings avoided JF, but one good (or bad) preseason isn't a guarantee that that player is 100% ready to be the starting QB.

I don't disagree with the Vikings' decision to start Cassel and let Teddy absorb some more info on the sidelines until the give him the starter's role.

PacificNorseWest wrote:Except Matt Flynn wasn't as good as Russell in the preseason. Russell was making things happen and stood out. Right now, you can't say Bridgewater stands out all that much more than Cassel. Not to mention that when Pete made that decision, he knew Russell was backed by a then top 5 defense. The situations are definitely not as comparable as you make them seem. Gotta go beyond face value

What more could he do? I thought the point of being a good quarterback was to score TD's? You can only work with the opportunities you're given. 5 TD's vs 2 TD's. Our team scored 47 points with Teddy at the helm in right over 6 full quarters of play.. Points win games, ultimately. He outscored him by quite a bit.. and in my opinion showed better ability in multiple areas over Matt (Such as % vs blitz..)

This can't just be overlooked.

But ultimately, ya.. Matt's done a good job. I'm going to root for him just as hard. I just feel excited for the Viking's future.

28BreaksAnkles wrote: What more could he do? I thought the point of being a good quarterback was to score TD's? You can only work with the opportunities you're given. 5 TD's vs 2 TD's. Our team scored 47 points with Teddy at the helm in right over 6 full quarters of play.. Points win games, ultimately. He outscored him by quite a bit.. and in my opinion showed better ability in multiple areas over Matt (Such as % vs blitz..)

This can't just be overlooked.

Those opportunities can't be overstated, either. Teddy was given some prime field position for a few of those scores, and you can't deny the fact that if they are equal talents at this point, the guy going against 2s and 3s SHOULD look better.