They almost never say it. The real question is whether or not they're thinking it. I'm saying I think Frazier is "thinking it"80 PurplePride 84 wrote:When are fans gonna learn that coaches aren't gonna flat out say "so and so sucks" in the media?
Souhan: Frazier doesn't deserve this nasty, brutish year
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I've told people a million times not to exaggerate!
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Some coaches are more candid and sincere in their dealing w/ the press than others. Frazier is on the far end of the spectrum--the discrete, coach-speak, dissimulation end of the spectrum. While no coach will say "so and so sucks" some coaches will certainly be more direct.80 PurplePride 84 wrote:When are fans gonna learn that coaches aren't gonna flat out say "so and so sucks" in the media?
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Re: Souhan: Frazier doesn't deserve this nasty, brutish year
In garbage time. What did he do in the first 3 quarters?Mothman wrote: He ran for another TD too. he did do some good things in that game, just not nearly enough.
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Not a whole lot, but the answer Frazier gave was technically correct. They didn't ask him if Ponder performed well early in the game. In any case, I think Frazier had to think of some positives to say. It's not like Frazier rattled of 5 good plays Ponder made. My guess is Freeman starts next game, but TBH I'm not sure I even care anymore. Cassel is the one QB who will not be starting. If it's because Cassel will not be the long term solution, then fine. But lets just say Ponder isn't going to start then. Ponder is not the solution either. Name Freeman the starter and be done with it.PurpleKoolaid wrote:In garbage time. What did he do in the first 3 quarters?
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Certainly a very curious statement. It almost sounds like he's trying to tell people to read between the lines and that it's being forced on him to start Freeman or Ponder. Full disclosure, tinfoil was on sale at Safeway so maybe I stocked up too much.808vikingsfan wrote:Just the way he's handling the QB is reason enough to fire Frazier IMO.
Sounds like even he doesn't know why he's sitting Cassel.
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LOL! i'm well-stocked with foil too but I think we're clearly intended to read between the lines.S197 wrote:Certainly a very curious statement. It almost sounds like he's trying to tell people to read between the lines and that it's being forced on him to start Freeman or Ponder. Full disclosure, tinfoil was on sale at Safeway so maybe I stocked up too much.
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Yeah if I'm Frazier now I'm trying to do whatever I can to kind of redirect the blame to the proper targets.Mothman wrote: LOL! i'm well-stocked with foil too but I think we're clearly intended to read between the lines.
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The decision has been made and the team has been informed. It just hasn't been announced publicly yet but yes, I think Spielman is in Frazier's ear regarding who he wants to see playing at QB. That's why Cassel isn't even a consideration to start.808vikingsfan wrote:is it Rick that can't decide which QB to start? This is ridiculous.
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Maybe the owner made his voice heard as well...Mothman wrote: The decision has been made and the team has been informed. It just hasn't been announced publicly yet but yes, I think Spielman is in Frazier's ear regarding who he wants to see playing at QB. That's why Cassel isn't even a consideration to start.
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I've been thinking the same thing.Demi wrote: Maybe the owner made his voice heard as well...
Re: Souhan: Frazier doesn't deserve this nasty, brutish year
Frazier didn't deserve to be a head coach in the first place either, so I can't feel too bad for him.
Re: Souhan: Frazier doesn't deserve this nasty, brutish year
I don't know that I agree with that. He showed some promise early on and deserved a chance. Here is an article that discusses why he should be fired. While some of it discusses (again) the whole emotional vs stoic style (I disagree with the author's conclusions here) he also makes some valid points for the firing of Frazier, something I believe is going to happen at the end of the season.Crax wrote:Frazier didn't deserve to be a head coach in the first place either, so I can't feel too bad for him.
I also disagree with the "not having respect" conclusion drawn. I think the player's do respect him. He's just not, for whatever reason, producing the results he needs to.Allen Moody - Yahoo Sports wrote: Frazier prefers the stoic, emotionless presence that Minnesota Vikings fans were first introduced to by former coach Bud Grant. With Grant, you couldn't tell if the Vikings were ahead by 10 points or behind by 10 points. With Frazier, you can't tell if the Vikings are behind by seven points or behind by 27.
But that's where the similarities end, as Grant had the respect of his team and the rest of the league, while Frazier appears to have neither. The Vikings aren't responding to his methods and have too much talent to be 1-6 and one of the laughingstocks of the league.
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Re: Souhan: Frazier doesn't deserve this nasty, brutish year
The year he took over, the defense finished ranked 25th in the league. The year before that was also in the 20's. Many OC/DC's that become head coaches are pulled away from a top team and/or are coming off a season where their position group was top 5 or so in the league. Frazier hit 10 once, but was never at the top. Doesn't mean they'll work out, but there is tons of examples of a guy going from top ranking offense/defense to head coaching position. There's definitely guys that are better coordinators than coaches, but they earned the chance by showing they can run a great(not just good) group at their respective specialty.Just Me wrote: I don't know that I agree with that. He showed some promise early on and deserved a chance.
As has been pointed out in another thread, Frazier's defenses in general are just average.
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Was Tomlin ever in the top 5 though? (I really don't know, but I didn't think he was) He went on to win the SB with the Steelers after he left as our coordinator. Again, all kind of arguments can be made as to why he was successful, but I believed he deserved a chance too.Crax wrote: The year he took over, the defense finished ranked 25th in the league. The year before that was also in the 20's. Many OC/DC's that become head coaches are pulled away from a top team and/or are coming off a season where their position group was top 5 or so in the league. Frazier hit 10 once, but was never at the top. Doesn't mean they'll work out, but there is tons of examples of a guy going from top ranking offense/defense to head coaching position. There's definitely guys that are better coordinators than coaches, but they earned the chance by showing they can run a great(not just good) group at their respective specialty.
As has been pointed out in another thread, Frazier's defenses in general are just average.
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Tomlin finished 8th overall defense with the Vikings in 06. He was only a defensive co-ordinator for a single year.Just Me wrote: Was Tomlin ever in the top 5 though? (I really don't know, but I didn't think he was)