Why did Kirk Cousins not play like Tom Brady?

[CharVike]

IF QB play has such a huge impact on wins. Why haven't the Packers, with one the arguably best QB's to ever play the game only been able to win one Super Bowl during his stellar career? What about Drew Brees? He's been a top QB or years. One SB. And I would argue that Peyton Manning was a better QB than Rodgers or Brady. And look how many SB's he has. Look, I'm not saying nor have I ever said that the QB isn't important. He is just not as important as most people think. What you need is a good QB that doesn't make stupid plays, and a defense to help him out.(Think NE. And, Brady is good, just not as good as everyone believes) NO QB ever wins a game by himself.

Winning a Super Bowl is very hard and yes Rodgers only has one. That's dam good. Tark didn't win one with the great purple people eaters. Brady blinds everybody. Yes he is the best when it comes to SBs wins. But he has the easiest walk to the Super Bowl. This year will be another division champ and probably Super Bowl. Their main competition are the Jets. Our team beat the crap out of them. Cousins looked like the best that ever played the game. Our D jammed that offense. They get that joke twice. And the others are worse than the Jets. No QBs. That's two weeks off and laughing. Our main concern are the Bears. That team plays nasty D. We might get 10 points if we are lucky. Kub thinks he will jam the ball down their throats. They won't allow that. You better have great balance and challenge them with some home run routes. Make them cover the field.

Rodgers won't win a Super Bowl this year either. The road to it is hard. 1st they got to get past the Bears. That's a good team. Then they have to deal with us. No easy task because we can play football also. Yes the Lions will take the beaten. Give them the Jets and Bills instead. The road becomes a little easier. Plus they can rest the wounded and develop young guys. Who faces the harder road Rodgers or Brady.

[Raptorman]

In the last 3 years, there have been 566 games where at least one team was held to 19 points or less. That team that was held to 19 points or less lost 83% of the time.

Shocking that when a team doesn't score a lot of points they lose a lot.

What is the biggest factor in a team scoring again?

Sorry if you don't like the numbers, but they hold true all the way back to 1960. If you hold a team to under 19 points, you have an 85% chance of winning. Which makes it a lot easier on your offense to score enough to win. The two are interconnected. How in the hell do you think the Patriots have been to 9 of the last 18 Super Bowls? Oh wait, that's right, that's all Brady. Never mind the lowest point allowing defense over 18 years in the history of the NFL. They only do that because of Brady. The Packers couldn't do it with Favre and Rodgers. The Colts couldn't do it with Manning. The Saints can't do it with Brees. But Brady is special. His play is different than all other QB's. His play helps prevent the other team from scoring.

Like I said. Even Brady doesn't play like Brady, "the Myth".

See, you want to concentrate on one side of the ball. "Because the QB is the biggest factor in scoring." Yeah, so what. They aren't the only factor in winning. If your QB has to score 30 points a game to win, you won't have a winning team very often. It's just a matter of math and history. The team that is ripe for fall from grace this year? The Rams. Super Bowl loss, 24 ppg given up last year. Lot's of overconfidence in the teams' offensive ability. It wouldn't surprise me if the Rams don't make the playoffs.

[Raptorman]

Winning a Super Bowl is very hard and yes Rodgers only has one. That's dam good. Tark didn't win one with the great purple people eaters. Brady blinds everybody. Yes he is the best when it comes to SBs wins. But he has the easiest walk to the Super Bowl. This year will be another division champ and probably Super Bowl. Their main competition are the Jets. Our team beat the crap out of them. Cousins looked like the best that ever played the game. Our D jammed that offense. They get that joke twice. And the others are worse than the Jets. No QBs. That's two weeks off and laughing. Our main concern are the Bears. That team plays nasty D. We might get 10 points if we are lucky. Kub thinks he will jam the ball down their throats. They won't allow that. You better have great balance and challenge them with some home run routes. Make them cover the field.

Rodgers won't win a Super Bowl this year either. The road to it is hard. 1st they got to get past the Bears. That's a good team. Then they have to deal with us. No easy task because we can play football also. Yes the Lions will take the beaten. Give them the Jets and Bills instead. The road becomes a little easier. Plus they can rest the wounded and develop young guys. Who faces the harder road Rodgers or Brady.

Rodgers. Brady has a defense.

[StumpHunter]

Shocking that when a team doesn't score a lot of points they lose a lot.

What is the biggest factor in a team scoring again?

Sorry if you don't like the numbers, but they hold true all the way back to 1960. If you hold a team to under 19 points, you have an 85% chance of winning. Which makes it a lot easier on your offense to score enough to win. The two are interconnected. How in the hell do you think the Patriots have been to 9 of the last 18 Super Bowls? Oh wait, that's right, that's all Brady. Never mind the lowest point allowing defense over 18 years in the history of the NFL. They only do that because of Brady. The Packers couldn't do it with Favre and Rodgers. The Colts couldn't do it with Manning. The Saints can't do it with Brees. But Brady is special. His play is different than all other QB's. His play helps prevent the other team from scoring.

Like I said. Even Brady doesn't play like Brady, "the Myth".

See, you want to concentrate on one side of the ball. "Because the QB is the biggest factor in scoring." Yeah, so what. They aren't the only factor in winning. If your QB has to score 30 points a game to win, you won't have a winning team very often. It's just a matter of math and history. The team that is ripe for fall from grace this year? The Rams. Super Bowl loss, 24 ppg given up last year. Lot's of overconfidence in the teams' offensive ability. It wouldn't surprise me if the Rams don't make the playoffs.

The numbers are backing up what I am saying, why wouldn't I like them?

Brady makes his defense better by keeping them off the field and making the other team's offense one dimensional as they resort to passing to keep up with the Pats offense. Momentum is a huge thing in football too, and with Brady, you always have the momentum.

[CharVike]

Rodgers won't win a Super Bowl this year either. The road to it is hard. 1st they got to get past the Bears. That's a good team. Then they have to deal with us. No easy task because we can play football also. Yes the Lions will take the beaten. Give them the Jets and Bills instead. The road becomes a little easier. Plus they can rest the wounded and develop young guys. Who faces the harder road Rodgers or Brady.

Rodgers. Brady has a defense.

Yes they do. But put Rodgers in that joke AFC East and he will win the division also. D don't matter at that point. There's no QBs. Some young guys yet but they are developing right now and who knows if they are any good. Be a few years till that plays out.

[Raptorman]

Rodgers. Brady has a defense.

Yes they do. But put Rodgers in that joke AFC East and he will win the division also. D don't matter at that point. There's no QBs. Some young guys yet but they are developing right now and who knows if they are any good. Be a few years till that plays out.

Replace Brady with any QB in the AFC East, put Brady on his team and NE will still win the division.

[StumpHunter]

Yes they do. But put Rodgers in that joke AFC East and he will win the division also. D don't matter at that point. There's no QBs. Some young guys yet but they are developing right now and who knows if they are any good. Be a few years till that plays out.

Replace Brady with any QB in the AFC East, put Brady on his team and NE will still win the division.

The only reason you all think the Jets, Bills and Miami suck is because their QBs have sucked forever. You put Brees, Rodgers or Wilson in that division and suddenly the perception of how bad the AFC East is changes.

[CharVike]

Replace Brady with any QB in the AFC East, put Brady on his team and NE will still win the division.

The only reason you all think the Jets, Bills and Miami suck is because their QBs have sucked forever. You put Brees, Rodgers or Wilson in that division and suddenly the perception of how bad the AFC East is changes.

What does that mean. The bottom line is those teams do suck. Don't take that as the only reason the Pats win Super Bowls. But they have a huge advantage playing garbage. You can develop guys along the way and that's huge. We can't do that. Also Belichick has a great defensive mind. Zimmer is a moron compared to that guys mind. Give him 11 stiffs and he will make it work. The way to beat Brady is to hit him. I seen the Giants take care of him twice. They put pressure on him and made him pay a price. He wilted. Last year when they played the Rams I was yelling at the TV to put pressure on him and hit him. He will wilt. When he is not touched you don't have a chance. The Rams felt laying back was better. When we played them last year they could score anytime they wanted to. Our D couldn't hold up. Zimmer never got after Brady. It was the bend but don't break BS. IMO get him. Let him know we are coming. Don't hold the ball. They don't even have a WR that can blow the top off. Plenty of extra guys to blitz. But that takes guts. But that's they only way to beat him. Send the house and make him feel it. He will not like that.

[StumpHunter]

The only reason you all think the Jets, Bills and Miami suck is because their QBs have sucked forever. You put Brees, Rodgers or Wilson in that division and suddenly the perception of how bad the AFC East is changes.

What does that mean. The bottom line is those teams do suck. Don't take that as the only reason the Pats win Super Bowls. But they have a huge advantage playing garbage. You can develop guys along the way and that's huge. We can't do that. Also Belichick has a great defensive mind. Zimmer is a moron compared to that guys mind. Give him 11 stiffs and he will make it work. The way to beat Brady is to hit him. I seen the Giants take care of him twice. They put pressure on him and made him pay a price. He wilted. Last year when they played the Rams I was yelling at the TV to put pressure on him and hit him. He will wilt. When he is not touched you don't have a chance. The Rams felt laying back was better. When we played them last year they could score anytime they wanted to. Our D couldn't hold up. Zimmer never got after Brady. It was the bend but don't break BS. IMO get him. Let him know we are coming. Don't hold the ball. They don't even have a WR that can blow the top off. Plenty of extra guys to blitz. But that takes guts. But that's they only way to beat him. Send the house and make him feel it. He will not like that.

It is hard to pressure a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly. Quick reads and releases are a big reason reason Brees, Brady and Manning had such great careers. Your offensive line will always look good, and the defensive line will always look bad when the QB can doesn't hold the ball long enough to allow pressure to get to him.

[S197]

What does that mean. The bottom line is those teams do suck. Don't take that as the only reason the Pats win Super Bowls. But they have a huge advantage playing garbage. You can develop guys along the way and that's huge. We can't do that. Also Belichick has a great defensive mind. Zimmer is a moron compared to that guys mind. Give him 11 stiffs and he will make it work. The way to beat Brady is to hit him. I seen the Giants take care of him twice. They put pressure on him and made him pay a price. He wilted. Last year when they played the Rams I was yelling at the TV to put pressure on him and hit him. He will wilt. When he is not touched you don't have a chance. The Rams felt laying back was better. When we played them last year they could score anytime they wanted to. Our D couldn't hold up. Zimmer never got after Brady. It was the bend but don't break BS. IMO get him. Let him know we are coming. Don't hold the ball. They don't even have a WR that can blow the top off. Plenty of extra guys to blitz. But that takes guts. But that's they only way to beat him. Send the house and make him feel it. He will not like that.

It is hard to pressure a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly. Quick reads and releases are a big reason reason Brees, Brady and Manning had such great careers. Your offensive line will always look good, and the defensive line will always look bad when the QB can doesn't hold the ball long enough to allow pressure to get to him.

If it's that simple, why did the Saints have a losing record for 3 years in a row? They went 7-9 in 2014, 2015, and 2016.

[StumpHunter]

It is hard to pressure a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly. Quick reads and releases are a big reason reason Brees, Brady and Manning had such great careers. Your offensive line will always look good, and the defensive line will always look bad when the QB doesn't hold the ball long enough to allow pressure to get to him.

If it's that simple, why did the Saints have a losing record for 3 years in a row? They went 7-9 in 2014, 2015, and 2016.

It isn't that simple and there is nuance to everything. The QB can't do everything himself obviously, or the Patriots and GB would only lose to each other every year.

Defense plays a role in winning obviously, it is just easier to win with the 16th best defense and the 5th best QB than it is with the 16th best QB and the 5th best defense.

You get into the 28 point per game given up like Brees dealt with during that time, and not even Brady wins. I will definitely concede that point.

[CharVike]

What does that mean. The bottom line is those teams do suck. Don't take that as the only reason the Pats win Super Bowls. But they have a huge advantage playing garbage. You can develop guys along the way and that's huge. We can't do that. Also Belichick has a great defensive mind. Zimmer is a moron compared to that guys mind. Give him 11 stiffs and he will make it work. The way to beat Brady is to hit him. I seen the Giants take care of him twice. They put pressure on him and made him pay a price. He wilted. Last year when they played the Rams I was yelling at the TV to put pressure on him and hit him. He will wilt. When he is not touched you don't have a chance. The Rams felt laying back was better. When we played them last year they could score anytime they wanted to. Our D couldn't hold up. Zimmer never got after Brady. It was the bend but don't break BS. IMO get him. Let him know we are coming. Don't hold the ball. They don't even have a WR that can blow the top off. Plenty of extra guys to blitz. But that takes guts. But that's they only way to beat him. Send the house and make him feel it. He will not like that.

It is hard to pressure a QB who gets rid of the ball quickly. Quick reads and releases are a big reason reason Brees, Brady and Manning had such great careers. Your offensive line will always look good, and the defensive line will always look bad when the QB can doesn't hold the ball long enough to allow pressure to get to him.

Playing a bend but don't break scheme doesn't help at all. Press the LOS. Jam all receivers. That eliminates the quick dink pass. Bring the heat up the middle. Make him move. He's not the most mobile QB. Zimm played him soft in our case. Laid back and gave him the quick dump off. Stop that. He doesn't have a receiver that can blow the top off. Don't bring up Patterson he can't track the ball. You bring up great QB career. Well what is that? Brees let our own backup QB beat him in a playoff game. Great QBs don't allow that. They beat the backup. He lost at home to the Rams in the champ game last year. Smoke that team at home. He couldn't get the job done. A choke job. I think Bress has one Super Bowl victory. Brad Johnson has one. Is that great. Here's how the Giants beat Brady twice.
"The edge rush doesn’t really bother him much. You need to have some really good interior rushers.” Umenyiora said.
As I stated before bring the heat up the gut. He has a harder time with that. When we played Brady last year Zim did the opposite. I don't understand that type of thinking. Use what has been proven to work. Move Hunter, who's a very good player, inside. Split the G and center. That will get Brady nervous. That will bother him. No dump offs at that point. Now sit in the pocket and wait. Adjust and make the pressure. That's not easy but it's better than taking the beat down.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Replace Brady with any QB in the AFC East, put Brady on his team and NE will still win the division.

The only reason you all think the Jets, Bills and Miami suck is because their QBs have sucked forever. You put Brees, Rodgers or Wilson in that division and suddenly the perception of how bad the AFC East is changes.

Outside of a couple years of buffalos defense being good, the defenses for the rest of that division have been pretty poor. Add in that the talent on offense have been just as poor doesn’t help either.

The bills haven’t had a WR worth a damn in I don’t know how long. McCoy was a good RB stuck on a bad team. Their OL has also been down as of late. Outside of Sammy Watkins one good year, the bills haven’t had a 1000 yard WR since Stevie Johnson. Lee Evans sprinkled in here and there. And before that Eric Moulds in the early 2000s. Their RB history is just as bad

The jets have also had below average WRs. Anderson has been decent but overall, nothing to write home about. They haven’t had a good RB in forever. Now they have bell who should help. The jets have also had 6 1000 yard WRs since 2000. 18 years and 6 guys. That’s awful. As for RBs, a couple random years with Shonn Greene and Chris ivory. Outside of that Curtis Martin was next in line.

The dolphins OL has been horrific. I also don’t who their last good WR was. As well as RB. Outside of Landry a few times and Marshall a few times the WRs were awful since 2000. Their last legit RB was Ricky Williams.

These teams didn’t just have bad QBs. They’ve had bad teams overall. You put Wilson on any of those teams and I don’t know if he’s saving any of them. Maybe buffalo recently because of their defense but outside of that, these teams haven’t been very good by any means.

When you look at our 1000 yard guys at those positions. We had consistency with “3 deep” moss/carter/reed and now with Theilen and Diggs. Then your random ones like Rice and burleson. We did have a bad stretch between moss and now but our teams were also mostly poor during that time. RB wise we had one of the best to play the game in AD year after year and then splash in Bennett, Taylor, and Robert Smith. We also had a bad stretch between smith and Peterson. But same thing, we weren’t very good then either.

Point is, when we have good players there is consistency. The dolphins, jets and bills haven’t had that in 20 years for the most part. They have just been terrible teams overall

[CharVike]

The only reason you all think the Jets, Bills and Miami suck is because their QBs have sucked forever. You put Brees, Rodgers or Wilson in that division and suddenly the perception of how bad the AFC East is changes.

Outside of a couple years of buffalos defense being good, the defenses for the rest of that division have been pretty poor. Add in that the talent on offense have been just as poor doesn’t help either.

The bills haven’t had a WR worth a damn in I don’t know how long. McCoy was a good RB stuck on a bad team. Their OL has also been down as of late. Outside of Sammy Watkins one good year, the bills haven’t had a 1000 yard WR since Stevie Johnson. Lee Evans sprinkled in here and there. And before that Eric Moulds in the early 2000s. Their RB history is just as bad

The jets have also had below average WRs. Anderson has been decent but overall, nothing to write home about. They haven’t had a good RB in forever. Now they have bell who should help. The jets have also had 6 1000 yard WRs since 2000. 18 years and 6 guys. That’s awful. As for RBs, a couple random years with Shonn Greene and Chris ivory. Outside of that Curtis Martin was next in line.

The dolphins OL has been horrific. I also don’t who their last good WR was. As well as RB. Outside of Landry a few times and Marshall a few times the WRs were awful since 2000. Their last legit RB was Ricky Williams.

These teams didn’t just have bad QBs. They’ve had bad teams overall. You put Wilson on any of those teams and I don’t know if he’s saving any of them. Maybe buffalo recently because of their defense but outside of that, these teams haven’t been very good by any means.

When you look at our 1000 yard guys at those positions. We had consistency with “3 deep” moss/carter/reed and now with Theilen and Diggs. Then your random ones like Rice and burleson. We did have a bad stretch between moss and now but our teams were also mostly poor during that time. RB wise we had one of the best to play the game in AD year after year and then splash in Bennett, Taylor, and Robert Smith. We also had a bad stretch between smith and Peterson. But same thing, we weren’t very good then either.

Point is, when we have good players there is consistency. The dolphins, jets and bills haven’t had that in 20 years for the most part. They have just been terrible teams overall

The Pats are in the best spot to make a run. They need to get up for a few games a year. Don't take that as a knock on Bill either. But the guy had 5 seasons in Cleveland and had a winning record once. That's pathetic. Last year the best team they faced IMO the Steelers they only put up 10 points. The great Brady had an 89 rating. That blows. Then they finished up with a couple AFC East foes won both while getting the team healthy and ready for the playoffs. Not saying it's easy but it's an easier road.

[StumpHunter]

Outside of a couple years of buffalos defense being good, the defenses for the rest of that division have been pretty poor. Add in that the talent on offense have been just as poor doesn’t help either.

The bills haven’t had a WR worth a damn in I don’t know how long. McCoy was a good RB stuck on a bad team. Their OL has also been down as of late. Outside of Sammy Watkins one good year, the bills haven’t had a 1000 yard WR since Stevie Johnson. Lee Evans sprinkled in here and there. And before that Eric Moulds in the early 2000s. Their RB history is just as bad

The jets have also had below average WRs. Anderson has been decent but overall, nothing to write home about. They haven’t had a good RB in forever. Now they have bell who should help. The jets have also had 6 1000 yard WRs since 2000. 18 years and 6 guys. That’s awful. As for RBs, a couple random years with Shonn Greene and Chris ivory. Outside of that Curtis Martin was next in line.

The dolphins OL has been horrific. I also don’t who their last good WR was. As well as RB. Outside of Landry a few times and Marshall a few times the WRs were awful since 2000. Their last legit RB was Ricky Williams.

These teams didn’t just have bad QBs. They’ve had bad teams overall. You put Wilson on any of those teams and I don’t know if he’s saving any of them. Maybe buffalo recently because of their defense but outside of that, these teams haven’t been very good by any means.

When you look at our 1000 yard guys at those positions. We had consistency with “3 deep” moss/carter/reed and now with Theilen and Diggs. Then your random ones like Rice and burleson. We did have a bad stretch between moss and now but our teams were also mostly poor during that time. RB wise we had one of the best to play the game in AD year after year and then splash in Bennett, Taylor, and Robert Smith. We also had a bad stretch between smith and Peterson. But same thing, we weren’t very good then either.

Point is, when we have good players there is consistency. The dolphins, jets and bills haven’t had that in 20 years for the most part. They have just been terrible teams overall

The Pats are in the best spot to make a run. They need to get up for a few games a year. Don't take that as a knock on Bill either. But the guy had 5 seasons in Cleveland and had a winning record once. That's pathetic. Last year the best team they faced IMO the Steelers they only put up 10 points. The great Brady had an 89 rating. That blows. Then they finished up with a couple AFC East foes won both while getting the team healthy and ready for the playoffs. Not saying it's easy but it's an easier road.

Uh, they played the Texans, KC, Bears and Colts last year in the regular season and you think a non-playoff team is the best team they played?

Guess what happened against every playoff team they faced last year? They ended up having a better record than against their division at 7 in 0.

If the Pat's were one and done in the playoffs every year you all might have a point, but they kick playoff teams butts consistently too.