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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by YikesVikes » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:19 pm

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I truly don't understand how things work in the NFL.

Adrian Peterson spanks his son with a switch -- suspended for an entire season. Justified.

Holton Hill smokes weed (legal in 11 states and Washington D.C.) -- suspended four games. Justified (I guess ... it's a rule in the NFL).

Tyreek Hill breaks his son's arm -- No suspension. No fine. Nothing.

Somebody needs to give Roger Goodell a drug test.
It definitely makes no sense. That being said, the reason he went undrafted is because of this very problem. Then he gets hit for PEDs, which rumor has it could have been something taken to mask marijuana. Then he’s caught with Roc who not only had weed but a handgun and a bunch of cash.

It’s just one bad decision after another. If he screws up again, it will be a 10 game suspension. It’s enticing to keep a guy around who is paid very little and won’t count against the roster while suspended, but is he really worth the risk? I don’t see a Jared Allen turnaround story here, he just doesn’t seem to get it.

Teams were right to pass on him and I think it’s better they cut their losses.
Just want to point out that an NFL player with 16k in cash isn't always a sign of drug dealing. These guys do a lot of dealing in cash. Also, the gun seems to be pointlessly thrown in there as he wasn't charged with illegal gun possession (that I saw) but gun and money and Black young guy paints a picture. Gun ownership isn't a crime. #### is lowkey prejudicial.

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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:00 pm

StumpHunter wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:46 am
J. Kapp 11 wrote:
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I truly don't understand how things work in the NFL.

Adrian Peterson spanks his son with a switch -- suspended for an entire season. Justified.

Holton Hill smokes weed (legal in 11 states and Washington D.C.) -- suspended four games. Justified (I guess ... it's a rule in the NFL).

Tyreek Hill breaks his son's arm -- No suspension. No fine. Nothing.

Somebody needs to give Roger Goodell a drug test.
They have his wife on tape saying she is the one who hurt their son, not Tyreek. He is no angel, but it appears his biggest mistake was marrying a nut job.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by S197 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:53 pm

Looks like the team is considering Scandrick as a potential pickup with Hill out.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by StumpHunter » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:43 am

S197 wrote:
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Looks like the team is considering Scandrick as a potential pickup with Hill out.
If anyone can make Scandrik work it will be Zim. The next Terrance Newman maybe?
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by PurpleMustReign » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:36 pm

StumpHunter wrote:
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:53 pm
Looks like the team is considering Scandrick as a potential pickup with Hill out.
If anyone can make Scandrik work it will be Zim. The next Terrance Newman maybe?
Isn't Scandrick like 70?
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by S197 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:20 pm

Scandrick is 32 and nothing more than a short term stop gap but we could use the vet experience. Wonder if a guy like Munnerlyn would come back.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by halfgiz » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:34 pm

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I give Speilman credit for taking a chance. The guy played very well for a rookie. I said on another post about him that the PED suspension could have been for any substance. This time around it's substances of abuse. I'm not sure what that means. Could be any type of substance I guess. Glue, paint, anti-freeze ect........ I would assume he's toast at this point I know most feel Hughes will be ready to rock week 1 but I'm a little more pessimistic or realistic than that. It takes time to get back to game speed. If Rhodes don't bounce back to his stellar self this will be a problem area for us. In today's game a team must be deep at DB. We have 3 question marks IMO and that's hard to fill. I guess we can use the proven Denny Green approach and use a WR back there. That's close enough.
I also don't think Hughes will be ready week 1. He certainly won't be 100%. No announcement yet he's starting on the PUP (knock on wood) so that's a good sign at least.
Zim was quoted as saying that Hughes also had ligament damage also. Which I'm not sure it was mentioned before.
I just hope they don't try rushing him back.

Unless Hill messes up again...I don't see him going anywhere. High talent-low cost money wise.
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Post by S197 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:22 pm

Looks like Hughes is on the PUP. They're looking at Mo Claiborne.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by J. Kapp 11 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:29 pm

halfgiz wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:34 pm
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I also don't think Hughes will be ready week 1. He certainly won't be 100%. No announcement yet he's starting on the PUP (knock on wood) so that's a good sign at least.
Zim was quoted as saying that Hughes also had ligament damage also. Which I'm not sure it was mentioned before.
I just hope they don't try rushing him back.

Unless Hill messes up again...I don't see him going anywhere. High talent-low cost money wise.
Yeah, Zim called it a "multi-ligament" injury, then said he didn't know what that means. That Zimmer.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by PurpleMustReign » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:49 pm

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Looks like Hughes is on the PUP. They're looking at Mo Claiborne.
I could see Zimmer doing some good with Claiborne. What a wasted opportunity for Hill.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by CharVike » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:42 am

S197 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:25 pm
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:06 am
I give Speilman credit for taking a chance. The guy played very well for a rookie. I said on another post about him that the PED suspension could have been for any substance. This time around it's substances of abuse. I'm not sure what that means. Could be any type of substance I guess. Glue, paint, anti-freeze ect........ I would assume he's toast at this point I know most feel Hughes will be ready to rock week 1 but I'm a little more pessimistic or realistic than that. It takes time to get back to game speed. If Rhodes don't bounce back to his stellar self this will be a problem area for us. In today's game a team must be deep at DB. We have 3 question marks IMO and that's hard to fill. I guess we can use the proven Denny Green approach and use a WR back there. That's close enough.
I also don't think Hughes will be ready week 1. He certainly won't be 100%. No announcement yet he's starting on the PUP (knock on wood) so that's a good sign at least.
He had a very good rookie start. At least he made some plays on the ball which we need to do more of. But I don't see him on the field week 1. If he makes it back in a years time frame that would be great. And by back I mean playing like he was. If he comes back and is getting smoked that to me isn't back. I suspect once Hill's suspension is up it's bye bye. He gave them a bunch of bull #### last year when they signed him and now you can't even believe a word that comes from him. He's not good enough to put up with that. My biggest concern about our DBs now is Rhodes. If he's toast we will be lucky to make the playoffs with this secondary and certainly will get dumped quickly. We could be down to one decent starter with Waynes at this point. The rest will be fodder. Not good IMO.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:43 pm

CharVike wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:42 am
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I also don't think Hughes will be ready week 1. He certainly won't be 100%. No announcement yet he's starting on the PUP (knock on wood) so that's a good sign at least.
He had a very good rookie start. At least he made some plays on the ball which we need to do more of. But I don't see him on the field week 1. If he makes it back in a years time frame that would be great. And by back I mean playing like he was. If he comes back and is getting smoked that to me isn't back. I suspect once Hill's suspension is up it's bye bye. He gave them a bunch of bull #### last year when they signed him and now you can't even believe a word that comes from him. He's not good enough to put up with that. My biggest concern about our DBs now is Rhodes. If he's toast we will be lucky to make the playoffs with this secondary and certainly will get dumped quickly. We could be down to one decent starter with Waynes at this point. The rest will be fodder. Not good IMO.
What? One “bad” year from Rhodes and you’re already down on him? Little premature if you ask me. And Mac was one of the better slot corners in the league this year. I’m still not worried at all about this secondary. Nor will it be what keeps us out of the playoffs if you ask me. We still finished as the #3 pass defense last year with this crap secondary that you claim us to have
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by S197 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:00 am

Hill (rightly) in Zimmers doghouse. Only getting individual work, being held out of team drills.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by Bowhunting Viking » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:59 am

Scandrick won't be one of our signing options now as he has signed with Philly.
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Re: Holton HIll Suspended Again

Post by CharVike » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:57 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:43 pm
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:42 am

He had a very good rookie start. At least he made some plays on the ball which we need to do more of. But I don't see him on the field week 1. If he makes it back in a years time frame that would be great. And by back I mean playing like he was. If he comes back and is getting smoked that to me isn't back. I suspect once Hill's suspension is up it's bye bye. He gave them a bunch of bull #### last year when they signed him and now you can't even believe a word that comes from him. He's not good enough to put up with that. My biggest concern about our DBs now is Rhodes. If he's toast we will be lucky to make the playoffs with this secondary and certainly will get dumped quickly. We could be down to one decent starter with Waynes at this point. The rest will be fodder. Not good IMO.
What? One “bad” year from Rhodes and you’re already down on him? Little premature if you ask me. And Mac was one of the better slot corners in the league this year. I’m still not worried at all about this secondary. Nor will it be what keeps us out of the playoffs if you ask me. We still finished as the #3 pass defense last year with this crap secondary that you claim us to have
How many bad years before you are considered done? He's not 25 years old. I hope he comes back at elite form. That would be ideal. If he doesn't, which is also possible, then who fills the hole and at his level? Mac? Could happen. Then who fills his slot role at his level? Most on the board, about 90%, felt Hughes would be back at full speed week 1 because guys recover from his injury much easier today. I agree with that. But not all ACLs are the same. Here's the latest. Mike Zimmer describes Mike Hughes’ knee injury as “multi-ligament,” so more damage was done than to his ACL last season. Zimmer did not clarify what other ligament damage Hughes is recovering from. Zim won't clarify. What? IMO this isn't good news but maybe to some it is and week 1 is a given. I have said all along this is at least a year deal before he is back and playing at his former level. We can all call this what ever we feel is correct. IMO we have some serious questions marks in the secondary. In todays game 3 deep is a must have. Yes #3 pass defense I guess is correct but teams ran the ball at will against us.
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