Sorry, I was confused and thinking of when Tebow's QBR against thye Chargers asininely had him ahead of Rodgers MVP caliber performance that same week, my mistake.Cliff wrote: So by your logic, QBR just needs to exist for another 10 or so years and then it'll be relevant?
What are you even talking about in 2011? Tim Tebow's QBR for 2011 was 29.5 and Rodger's was 86.2. Tebow might have had a higher QBR for a week. Rodgers led the league in QBR that season as well.
Speaking of things out of the passer's control and stats taking them into account, how about average yards gained per attempt in the passer rating formula?
I never implied anything of the sort. I said that passer rating isn't better. Passer rating basically ignores QBs who are strong runners but only average passers. However they *can* be better quarterbacks. The QBR isn't great either (like I said above) but at least it tries (noticed I said tries) to incorporate more than just passing for a quarterback.
When was it 'discredited'? Is there even a player stat that could actually discredit it? All of these stats are pretty subjective.
Anyway, when I put QBR next to passer rating and look at it for last season I'm not sure which I trust more. Many of them are very close (Carson Palmer was 1st in both), here are some of the larger discrepancies:
Tom Brady 11th in QBR, Passer rating 4th
Matt Stafford 14th QBR, passer rating 9th
Ben Roethlisberger 2nd QBR, passer rating 11th
Philip Rivers 20th QBR, passer rating 12th
Aaron Rodgers 10th QBR, passer rating 15th
Derek Carr 25th QBR, passer rating 19th
Bridgewater 13th QBR, passer rating 21st
Ryan Fitzpatrick 12th QBR, 24th passer rating
QBR says these were the top 10 QBs last year (in order):
Carson Palmer
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Tyrod Taylor
Alex Smith
Cam Newton
Aaron Rodgers
Passer rating says these are the top ten (in order):
Carson Palmer
Russell Wilson
Andy Dalton
Tom Brady
Kirk Cousins
Drew Brees
Tyrod Taylor
Cam Newton
Matthew Stafford
Alex Smith
Mostly they agree the same QBs should be in the top 10.
Passer rating bumps Stafford up to the top ten and pushes Brady in (he was 11th in QBR).
QBR pushes Roethlisberger to the top 10 (he was 11th) and Rodgers into the top 10.
Aside from what exact spot a player should be in the top 10, they pretty much agree. Passer rating certainly isn't far enough away from QBR to say it's "discredited".
It feels weird even having this conversation and "defending" QBR. I'm not, really ... just against passer rating lol
Thats the thing though, passer rating isnt trying to measure a QBs performance as a player, but moreso his performance as a PASSER, a lot of the problem with QBR is ( as I mentioned earlier) the undue amount of credit they get for perceived situational football and running ability, while discrediting QBs for sacks taken and YAC. (The latter of which makes absolultely no sense, as penalizing a QB for his WRS YAC essentially penalizes a player for his offensive system, YAC is very much a reflection of a QBs ability to put the ball where it needs to be, make pre snap adjustmants, and otherwise just attack the Defense)
I just dont see a system that penalizes QBs for YAC and sacks taken and rewards QB for rushing yards and situational results, it seems like they just tossed darts at a board to determine what matters and what doesnt.